Best team for newer players?

[Sword of Solkan]

Cheers, guys. I'll probably go with Orcs.

I would say orcs, that being said the new players with orcs last year were caned round my way.

Out of interest, what went wrong for them?

Still, orcs are more fun and not as badly unbalanced as the list in my sig.....

At the risk of opening a can of worms a wiser man would pass by: Slann really aren't unbalanced.

The NAF statistics show them ranked 14th of the 24 teams, only winning 37% of their games (and losing 44%): http://naf.talkfantasyfootball.org/lrb6.html.

Tom Anders intentionally designed them as a less competitive team.

[Chris]

Out of interest, what went wrong for them?

Normally it is speed. You get out of position, or grind forward too slowly, etc. Undead have a higher sucess rate at tournies because of the greater speed (with the ghouls) and ability to outbash in key areas (with the two mummies). The Orcs do get a thrower, but he is a bit slow.
Both teams can have a fun starting line up though, my favourite with Orcs is a troll, goblin, thrower, 4 blitzers and 4 black orcs.

[Digger Goreman]

At the risk of opening a can of worms a wiser man would pass by: Slann really aren't unbalanced.

The NAF statistics show them ranked 14th of the 24 teams, only winning 37% of their games (and losing 44%): http://naf.talkfantasyfootball.org/lrb6.html.

Tom Anders intentionally designed them as a less competitive team.

I will make it short and as non-acrimonious as possible: Slann (aka green elves and spam) were a rush inclusion job to get in the three teams while greedy w@nkers were acting aggressively stupid and shotgunning at everyone with their lawyers.... I am a big fan of Tom's AND I don't agree with everything he does.... If this turkey can roost at his door, I will believe he tried, and the team suffers from common design failure in the gw-bb milieu: starting Ag4 on any player, spam skill (and the most broken one at that), more than two of any positional, easy access to blodgers, combo of skill/trait that can only fail on 2+ (the NEO/Matrix syndrome: waiting on the one....)

And citing sNAFu is futile....

[Don__Vito]

Change the broken record Digger. I am so, so sick of seeing your rants nowadays. Seriously.

[Sword of Solkan]

And citing sNAFu is futile....

We’re talking about a survey of more than 2,000 matches, which shows that Slann teams lose considerably more games than they win. That’s the opposite of an overpowered team.

Do you have any evidence that the Slann win more games they lose?

[dode74]

Data from two sources (FUMBBL and the one Cyanide league I know which can and does use "Slann", OFL) suggests that the team is performing pretty much as expected.

[Dr. Von Richten]

Change the broken record Digger. I am so, so sick of seeing your rants nowadays. Seriously.

To be fair, he was responding to a direct question ... which just means we shouldn't ever ask Digger any question he can use to launch into his Trololololing about over half the teams being unbalanced and all that bullsh*t.

[Olaf the Stout]

At the risk of opening a can of worms a wiser man would pass by: Slann really aren't unbalanced.

The NAF statistics show them ranked 14th of the 24 teams, only winning 37% of their games (and losing 44%): http://naf.talkfantasyfootball.org/lrb6.html.

Tom Anders intentionally designed them as a less competitive team.

I will make it short and as non-acrimonious as possible: Slann (aka green elves and spam) were a rush inclusion job to get in the three teams while greedy w@nkers were acting aggressively stupid and shotgunning at everyone with their lawyers.... I am a big fan of Tom's AND I don't agree with everything he does.... If this turkey can roost at his door, I will believe he tried, and the team suffers from common design failure in the gw-bb milieu: starting Ag4 on any player, spam skill (and the most broken one at that), more than two of any positional, easy access to blodgers, combo of skill/trait that can only fail on 2+ (the NEO/Matrix syndrome: waiting on the one....)

And citing sNAFu is futile....

I don't get it? I've never heard anyone regard Slaan as overpowered. FUMBBL stats suggest they lose more than they win. So how are they broken?

[sann0638]

Stop it people! Don't give him the platform!

[Digger Goreman]

Total meeting of Ronalds....

[Heff]

Basically it was what Chris said, poor positioning. That and meeting my monster werewolf

[Dr. Von Richten]

I don't get it? I've never heard anyone regard Slaan as overpowered. FUMBBL stats suggest they lose more than they win. So how are they broken?

Don't even bother trying. When it comes to this, Digger is either a Troll or insane (I'm not yet sure which), so it's no use probing for a rational argument that just isn't there.

[Olaf the Stout]

I don't get it? I've never heard anyone regard Slaan as overpowered. FUMBBL stats suggest they lose more than they win. So how are they broken?

Don't even bother trying. When it comes to this, Digger is either a Troll or insane (I'm not yet sure which), so it's no use probing for a rational argument that just isn't there.

Fair enough. Hadn't encountered his arguments about this before.

[Digger Goreman]

Don't even bother trying. When it comes to this, Digger is either a Troll or insane (I'm not yet sure which), so it's no use probing for a rational argument that just isn't there.

The third possibility is that there is merit past "is" and "is not" of purportive numbers without empirical assumptions... and your attitude of "what supports my assumptions" is right....

Ad hominen attacks and I am the troll?!

I proscribe a daily mental hygiene regimen of 1 hour of meditation, morning and evening, for the psychosis... and best wishes for your recovery....

[voyagers_uk]

Back to the earlier question from Sword, orcs are probably the smart move but (sorry Digger) dark elves give you the best chance to run against both styles. You have played slaan and have seen low AV hit hard so AV 8 is better and AG 4 with some Frenzy is amazing. Best of luck and roll high!

On the Slaan topic, my only regret was that their creation saw pro elves lose leap from their catchers. That was a little much. I got tired of the "but Slaan are the leapers, they are frogs" arguments, kind of like saying Chaos are the only team who should be called chaos