dirty-fouling

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:41 pm

Is it a good idea to change fouling to:
player only gets caught on a 6

This way fouling is re-introduced to the game as a viable tactic, with the added bonus that the casualty rate from fouling with a dp is reduced.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:47 pm

no, foul fests aren't whats wanted

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 12:53 pm

I don't think that will happen as there are no spp's awarded and people can make fouling a bit more viable a tactic (if you want that annoying player who keeps falling in the path of your drive to not stand up the next turn).

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:02 pm

At 4+, it's still often a good idea to foul. I used to foul in 3rd ed with the ref watching (you then got sent off on anything but a double on armour, a 5 in 6 chance), and it was often worth it. 4+ is a good comprimise, it should be kept this way.

Edit: typos.

Khankill · Post by **Khankill** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 9:42 pm

The current IGMEOY rules work great. It has never stopped me from throwing in the boot when it would help the cause. I don't see any change in it being for the betterment of the game as a whole.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed Feb 19, 2003 10:24 pm

I haven't seen any reduction in fouls being thrown with the 4+. It's just as viable a tactic as ever around here.

zeroalpha · Post by **zeroalpha** » Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:35 am

Yeah, the 4+ hasn't seen a huge reduction in the number of fouls thrown. Many coaches still fould quite regularly, its a 50/50 chance, so why not.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:32 pm

grotemuis wrote:I don't think that will happen as there are no spp's awarded and people can make fouling a bit more viable a tactic (if you want that annoying player who keeps falling in the path of your drive to not stand up the next turn).

I'm afraid that thats exactly what will happen, Teams will end up with a pair of dirty players and before half time one team will be decimated, and the other will probably walk in a 4-0 victory. SPP's not being available is no deterent, if at half time i can have 9 men left on the pitch gainst my opponents 5 i'll take it every time, and i daresy so will everybody, and we'll just get back to the third edition foul every turn syndrome

Wiss · Post by **Wiss** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:23 pm

How about if the punishment for fouling was a bit more severe? Something along the lines of if the player is caught and sent off the field fans of the fouled player meet up with him/her outside and discuss the finer points of ethics with blunt objects? I.e. if player fouls and is caught the player is ejected from the game and roll injury w/ a +2 mod. Dunno if it's been brought up before and my apologies if so.

And if you really want to be nasty you could have it so that if a player rolls to foul but fails to break through the armor then have the player roll for injury on themselves, treat it like the old thrown rock roll on the kickoff. A fan is so incensed at the lack of blood from the attempt that he takes matters into his own hands by chucking a rock at the player who failed to deliver.

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:34 pm

that should teach 'em

the problem was that (I read taht )there was no fouling around anymore, this was an attempt to help them. But it seems there are no problems anyway.

D'Arquebus · Post by **D'Arquebus** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:05 pm

IGMEOY as it stands is very good. I personally do not have a problem with fouling. However, Zombie and others (who are against SPPs) has stated in several places that the fouling is still very powerful. My own experience is that most of my fouls only succeed in stunning or KOs.

So get rid of the current Dirty Player. I'm not sure who should get the credit (is original poster of idea) but change it to only get sent on 6 even if IGMEOY in action. This is because the player is experienced at putting the boot in under even the refs watchful gaze. Also, he could act as a guard for purposes of assisting fouls only.

The skill remains decent, without being a deadly (problem causing?) part of the game. It also encourages the player to foul more, but with less chance of success (ie no +2 on rolls). This would make fouling not overpowered, but rather move it to the area of being fluff based, Evil Gits team anyone? They get DPers and foul alot, without DP +2 to cause huge carnage but rather to play dirty as per the fluff.

I introduced this only as this was how I had originally interpretted the meaning of this thread. Dpers could be changed from 'hunter-killers' to players who just have a penchant for putting the boot in, and damn the consequences. With reduced success (no +2) and the no SPPs, they would not advance as they used to and would instead become a niche player.