Should Big Guys be allowed to use Team ReRolls.

[Snew]

Well said Zombie. I was going to say the same thing.

[sidestepper]

I agree with zombie for the most part. I do think that they should get to keep their treeman however. Take root is a nasty flaw so it's a big risk having them on the team to begin with. I play wood elves tho, so I may be greedy. I have deeproot on my team but with the appearance fee rules we are using, he only plays against teams that are going to hit me hard.

To answer the topic however, no big guys should not get to use team rerolls. Allied races.. well that's another topic

Sidestepper

[GalakStarscraper]

I would drop the treeman and give them nothing more. A wood elf team with 4 wardancers would be an atrocity. Wardancers are way too good, and their only weakness is that there are only two so it's possible to get rid of them.

Wood elves are one of the best teams around anyway, they need neither a treeman nor more than 8 positional players. Amazons have only 8 as well and no big guy, and nobody's complaining.

Well said.

Galak

[wesleytj]

I would drop the treeman and give them nothing more. A wood elf team with 4 wardancers would be an atrocity. Wardancers are way too good, and their only weakness is that there are only two so it's possible to get rid of them.

Wood elves are one of the best teams around anyway, they need neither a treeman nor more than 8 positional players. Amazons have only 8 as well and no big guy, and nobody's complaining.

Well said.

Galak

Dude they're WOOD elves...you can't take away their WOOD!

Besides, of all the big guys they have the worst neg skill...AND when they ARE on the field they aren't that scary anyway...have to roll to get up, AG1, MA3....what are you people scared of?

[Toby]

We allow WE 2 Treemen... they still suck.

One Game of bad Luck and the complete Team is dead & injured...

[Zombie]

Besides, of all the big guys they have the worst neg skill...AND when they ARE on the field they aren't that scary anyway...have to roll to get up, AG1, MA3....what are you people scared of?

I disagree. For halflings, take root is the most negative skill because they need the treemen on the field. For wood elves, it's the least negative skill! If he doesn't show up, replace him in first half with a player of almost equal value. If he does show up, there's no negative at all. A wood elf team in my league have a treeman that got +1MA. What's the negative left for having him?

[wesleytj]

I disagree. For halflings, take root is the most negative skill because they need the treemen on the field. For wood elves, it's the least negative skill! If he doesn't show up, replace him in first half with a player of almost equal value. If he does show up, there's no negative at all. A wood elf team in my league have a treeman that got +1MA. What's the negative left for having him?

It's all a matter of getting your money's worth...or opportunity costs if you remember that from your econ class. Wood elves are all av7, they need every roster spot in most games because they get guys ko'd or cas'd and have to have a deep bench. Then you have a guy who costs 100k and doesn't show up for 1/2 a game? That's a waste of a roster spot and 10tr that could have been better used elsewhere.

[sean newboy]

I would not mind seeing the treeman replaced with dryads for the wood elves, still just as fluffy, but the wood elves still do alrite without treemen anyways.

[Skummy]

Take Root is not the worst skill in the game. WA is a much worse negatrait. Don't believe me? How many Wood Elf teams refuse to take a treeman?

[Munkey]

While we are off topic I would agree that the Treeman could easily be dropped from the WE team with no negative effect. The only reason for them being there is for the fluff, there's no gameplay reason for the uber passing team to have what amounts to a big guy mummy in stat terms.

In defence of the Orcs amount of position players, they are a completely different team and unlike elf linemen, orc linemen are pretty useless. In other words Orcs need the extra position players, wheras i've seen advice on starting elf teams with only one or sometimes no position players.

Having said that Orcs are a bad example as they are IMO one of the strongest teams, but the point is valid, teams are not directly comparable in this way, especially where they have wildly differing playing styles.

[Zombie]

I disagree. For halflings, take root is the most negative skill because they need the treemen on the field. For wood elves, it's the least negative skill! If he doesn't show up, replace him in first half with a player of almost equal value. If he does show up, there's no negative at all. A wood elf team in my league have a treeman that got +1MA. What's the negative left for having him?

It's all a matter of getting your money's worth...or opportunity costs if you remember that from your econ class. :) Wood elves are all av7, they need every roster spot in most games because they get guys ko'd or cas'd and have to have a deep bench. Then you have a guy who costs 100k and doesn't show up for 1/2 a game? That's a waste of a roster spot and 10tr that could have been better used elsewhere.

He only misses half the game every second game, and only ever misses the first half. It's in the second half that you're usually short on bench, in the first half you're ok. It's much better for wood elves to have a big guy who misses 1 out of 4 halves than one who's there but doesn't know what to do every 6th turn, because then you're better off with an elf who does know what to do.

[Munkey]

I have to agree with zombie on this one, Take Root is of no detriment to the WE team as once the treeman is on the pitch he plays as a normal player.

If you gave him an on the pitch disadvantage there would be less incentive to use him.

Personally I would be quite happy for the WE not to have access to Treemen at all.

[roysorlie]

We allow WE 2 Treemen... they still suck.

One Game of bad Luck and the complete Team is dead & injured...

TOtally Agree.
The treeman sucks!!

You pay 110 K for a player who doesn't show up half the time, who is incredibly easy to avoid, and who needs a 4+ roll, just to stand up, and who doesn't get to use rerolls.

He isn't worth it. Noway.
Seriously, how difficult is it, to stay away from a single MA2 player.
It's a joke.

I would rather have any other Big guy than the treeman. Without a second of doubt. I would rather have another Wardancer.

The treeman is a joke.

And I've played woodelves for 6 years, so I'm no rookie who doesn't know what he's talking about.