Stalling Part II

[Cooper]

I was thinking about it some more...

what do you think about this reasoning:

Someone knows the tactic off stalling and playing "with the clock"

It is 0-0 and he is certain of scoring in the 4th turn of the second half.

He can stall without a problem (hypothetical 2 players against, 5 reserves, 9 KO)

I will argue that it is unsportsmanlike and forgery of competition if you do NOT stall.

I think when in competition people should allways play to win, and when they are willingly taking actions that will decrease their chances of winning they are cheating on the rest of the league.

Ofcourse this will be very hard to prove, since you can say that he is playing for more spp's and is certain of himself that he will win it anyway...

what do you think?

[Zombie]

Oops, messed it up. Count one less vote for "false", and one more for "true".

[MistWraith]

Stalling is irrelevant to sportsmanship.

It may be bad coaching to stall (or not), but it has no reflection on how much of a sportsman you are.

Much like using a one turn touchdown has no relation to how sportsman like you are.

[Cooper]

I will clarify myself a bit.

In my opinion a coach should do everything (on the field ofcourse) to win.
Not only will i do that, but i expect the same from my opponents.

I think games in general are more fun when everyone is playing to win.

One of the tactics that will help you win, is stalling.
If you know this tactic and it would give you the game for certain, but you choose not to use it and choose a weaker tactics i feel you are throwing the game. This would be unsportsmanlike.

( i play a lot of vampire, so my perspective is maybe a bit too harsh...for those who don't know it, it is a 5-player game, and if YOU play bad, the person sitting left of you will win, and the rest of the table subsequently looses)


I know this is less the case with 2-player games, but by not playing your best you will pollute the outcomes of tournaments/leagues.


For myself i know i don't like it, if i win a game because my opponent chose to give me the chance...if i win, i want to win on my own...

W

[Zombie]

Same here. There's a guy i know you has been giving me a couple chances lately when playing pool. Whenever that happens, i just try to sink in the 8-ball right away so i'll lose. I don't want to win just because my opponent gave me a chance. I'd rather lose.

[Snew]

That's a knee-jerk reaction.

If he's giving you a chance, you didn't win. That's true true even if you do clear your balls first. What he's doing is giving you the opportunity to keep playing, both of you still having fun in the process. If you're paying for games at the bar, I'd be highly pissed if you pulled a stunt like that. You need to quit looking at it like charity and more like opportunity.

[grep-v]

It is 0-0 and he is certain of scoring in the 4th turn of the second half.
He can stall without a problem (hypothetical 2 players against, 5 reserves, 9 KO)
I will argue that it is unsportsmanlike and forgery of competition if you do NOT stalll.

Sorry, but this is crap.
You could always go for another TD just to prove your excellence, humiliate your opponent or (perhaps ) care for the often used tie-breaker named "TD difference". And for sure your opponent won't be disappointed if you don't stall and this forces him to play somewhat creative to score his follow up TD.

[narkotic]

That's a knee-jerk reaction.

If he's giving you a chance, you didn't win. That's true true even if you do clear your balls first. What he's doing is giving you the opportunity to keep playing, both of you still having fun in the process. If you're paying for games at the bar, I'd be highly pissed if you pulled a stunt like that. You need to quit looking at it like charity and more like opportunity.

I agree on this. For him it must be boring to win without any effort, as it feels embarassing for you to realize that you normally won't stand a chance. Nevertheless, you met for playing pool and having a good time. It won't feel fake for him when he gives you a chance and it evolves a close match, nor you should undervalue the chance to try harder as you might beat him now. At the end, both of you will have a better time at the ned than the other way round.

[Zombie]

I will never have a good time when my opponent deliberately gives me a chance. That's when i have the worst time ever. I prefer losing 10 games in a row rather than winning the 10th game because my opponent gave me a chance. I'm very competitive in everything i do, and there's nothing i hate more than a thrown game.

For the record, he's not really better at pool than i am. I usually beat him at the table where we play in Sherbrooke (where we study) because i know that table better, and he usually beats me at the table where we play now in Montreal (where we work for the summer) because he knows that table better.

[Longshot]

sorry, but all this thread is non sense one.
IMO

[Snew]

I will never have a good time when my opponent deliberately gives me a chance. That's when i have the worst time ever. I prefer losing 10 games in a row rather than winning the 10th game because my opponent gave me a chance. I'm very competitive in everything i do, and there's nothing i hate more than a thrown game.

For the record, he's not really better at pool than i am. I usually beat him at the table where we play in Sherbrooke (where we study) because i know that table better, and he usually beats me at the table where we play now in Montreal (where we work for the summer) because he knows that table better.

You must be less fun to be around in person than you are here.

[Cooper]

I will never have a good time when my opponent deliberately gives me a chance. That's when i have the worst time ever. I prefer losing 10 games in a row rather than winning the 10th game because my opponent gave me a chance. I'm very competitive in everything i do, and there's nothing i hate more than a thrown game.
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Well, i am close to your reasoning...but i want to lessen it somewhat...
I can certainly have a good TIME, when someone deliberately gives me a chance, i just won't be having a good game. When playing with friends i am allways (well mostofthetime) having a good time, but i am not allways having a good game.

W