Griff Oberwald redesigned and balanced

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:23 pm

This is how Griff Oberwald looks today:

Star Player Blitzer / Griff Oberwald 8448 Block, Dodge, Leap, Sprint, Sure Feet
This is how he developed:
Human Legend Blitzer 8448 Block, Dodge, Leap, Sprint, Sure Feet 180K General, Strength
Human Rookie Blitzer 7338 Block 90K General, Strength
-> 7 Star Player Rolls +1 MA +1 ST +1 AG Double, Double, Double, Double

This is how Griff Oberwald would look if he was a Catcher:

Star Player Catcher / Griff Oberwald 8448 Block, Dodge, Leap, Sprint, Sure Feet
This is how he would have developed:
Human Legend Catcher 8447 Catch, Dodge, Block, Leap, Sprint Sure Feet 180K General, Agility
Human Rookie Catcher 8237 Catch, Dodge 70K General, Agility
-> 7 Star Player Rolls +1 ST +1 ST +1 AG Skill, Skill, Skill, Skill & Magic Helmet removed -1 AV

Balancing Changes: -2 Star Player Rolls (-1 ST, -1ST)

That would be the balanced Griff Oberwald:

Human Super Star Catcher 8247 Catch, Dodge, Block, Leap, Sprint Sure Feet 180K General, Agility
Human Rookie Catcher 8237 Catch, Dodge 70K General, Agility

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:09 pm

Sorry but a Griff Oberwald as a human catcher is perhaps balanced but surely against the background

Griff Oberwald is a human blitzer

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:25 pm

Griff Oberwald has retired looong ago in 3rd Edition.

The unnamed human Starplayer could be a catcher...

SHOW SOME FLEXIBILITY

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 9:41 pm

Ok I show some flexibility.

Your star player could be named Gruff Oberwood and cost 150k gp.
If you want to update Griff Oberwald (the true one) exchange Sprint with Sure hands for example.

duff · Post by **duff** » Thu May 01, 2003 4:43 am

Has anyone actually bought St Griff of the holy TD? Buy the the time you can afford him you probaly don't need him!

Also, the wood elves have put a hit on him since he is miss using skills lerned in the Elvish acadamy of military dance.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Thu May 01, 2003 5:36 am

Hey Toby, why don't you redesign Mighty Zug as a Thrower?

-Balrog

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:00 am

Im getting pissed.

If you look at the in game Mechanics, which is somewhat alien to most people here on this board, you will quickly discover that to build Griff Oberwald from a BLITZER you need MA+ ST+ and 4!!! AGILITY Skills.

Or, a 10, a 12 and 4 more doubles.

If you however ALLOW YOURSELF SOME CREATIVITY and build the guy based on a CATCHER, then BOOM you get a POSSIBLE CREATURE.

Reduce Strength by 2 and here you have a Star thats balanced, fun to play and not undefeatable for your opponent.

And BY THE WAY i REDESIGNED ZUG as a freaking BIG guy. Let me tell you - it works, and its cool. The rest of you go ahed pick your stupid ogre.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:18 am

Toby wrote:Griff Oberwald has retired looong ago in 3rd Edition.

Well, obviously no one told him that. He seemed to be very active at this years BB tourney.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:20 am

Toby wrote:If you look at the in game Mechanics, which is somewhat alien to most people here on this board, you will quickly discover that to build Griff Oberwald from a BLITZER you need MA+ ST+ and 4!!! AGILITY Skills.

Or, a 10, a 12 and 4 more doubles.

He's a freakin' star!

Of course he has fantastic rolls!

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:27 am

THE FREAKING STARS SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THE FREAKING GAME BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL BROKEN.

Replace them with something that picks up die IDEA without giving the STARS, CHAMPS, whatever COMPLETELY FANTASTIC ROLLS WITHOUT AGEING and/or RACIAL CHARACTERISTIC. Without ignoring the Skill/Trait split; ASDF

Is it so hard to see that we are talking about a game design problem here where a feature was not translated to an updated version of the game because the lack of TIME MONEY WHATEVER ?

I dont give a damn thing about the warhammer world and if snow trolls eat fish or not. A Human Starplayer with 4!!! Agility Skills can not be based on a FREAKING BLITZER. PERIOD.

If someone wants a Blitzer Star, here you go pick 4 Streght Skills and the Leader Trait, charge 190.000 and here you go. By the time anybody can afford him cost and teamrating wise, the rest of the team will easily keep up with him. I feel like i am talking to cows.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:33 am

Why can't a SP human blitzer be AG4. If it was his 1st roll, why wouldn't you go the agility route?

One of my Norse blitzers got +1 AG for his 1st skill. Should I just ignore that cos he's a blitzer and meant to hit things? No! I look at skills that use it, and doubles will probably be spent on agility skills rather than traits.

Why is everything so B&W for you? Like I asked somewhere else, is there actually a rule in the LRB that you like, as you seem set on re-writing all of them.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:40 am

U missunderstood me - again.

not AG4 = +1 AG
but 4*AG Skill = 4*Double.

thx

oh i better explain, you know there's this thing called PROPABILITY, that reduces the chance to acces a category you are not allowed to to 1/6 per Star Playe Roll, so a Level 6 Blitzer is allowed a AVERAGE of 1 AG Skill or ST/GE Trait...

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:47 am

Toby wrote:I feel like i am talking to cows.

That's what happens when you speak cow.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu May 01, 2003 6:58 am

I understand perfectly. I also have a player whose 1st 3 rolls were doubles, so I can't see your difficulty in letting a SP have 4 doubles.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu May 01, 2003 7:04 am

Zombie wrote:
Toby wrote:I feel like i am talking to cows.
That's what happens when you speak cow.

I only answer when Toby has rules questions about the LRB ... keeps me safe as otherwise Toby believes I end up speaking cow also.

Galak