It may have been you I quoted Raveen, it was in this thread.
I was a member of the NAF long before I started playing Tournaments too as I love Blood Bowl and wanted to support them in some way, nothing wrong with that.
Hopefully this doesn't offend you but I just think its daft to vote on something that's not going to effect you in anyway (unless you do come to a tournament in the future and if you paint a khorne or Bret team up). The NAF is for everyone, but this vote was about whether to include the teams at tournaments?
You might not be the only one, the NAF is all about giving benefits to its members, like a "free" set of dice, discount to "their" tournaments and keeping you locked out of the forums lol, unless its something that will really effect the majority of members then anyone can vote. Welcome to the club
Seriously though, thinking about this today and it doesn't really matter, I
could include Khorne and Brets in my Tournament and stick them in their own Tier giving them 100k less to spend on there team and no skills. If i wanted to i guess. Biggest thing I have realized from this thread though is we can include any roster we want, fan made or whatever...
Never thought about that before. Unofficial Squig Team inbound at Foul Bowl 3 possibly
Vanguard wrote:spubbbba wrote:Well I guess the next question is should the variant human, orc, etc teams that GW have published also be allowed?
Better question, are they not allowed currently? As far as I can tell, NAF sanctioning requires the inclusion of the 24
standard races. There's nothing specifically prohibiting a TO from adding more that I'm aware of. In fact, the sanctioning guidelines state:
NAF_Tournament_Approval_Document_2017 wrote:Although you may want to include unofficial races in your tournament rules, coaches who pick one of these races will not gain any NAF points as the NAF rankings only include the 24 races listed above.
Which seems to confirm that Tournaments with unofficial races can still be NAF sanctioned, although at the discretion of the Tournament Director as always. Not sure if there's tournaments that have used (or asked to use) rosters outside of the 24+2 that would give an indication of current attitudes.
The two (or three) real questions that have to be answered are:
- Should Khorne and Brettonians be mandatory for NAF Sanctioning?
- Should Khorne and Brettonian matches be recorded for NAF ranking?
- Should Khorne and Brettonian matches be included in NAF Ranking calculations?
Those questions can then be applied to any other unofficial roster you care to name. I'd argue that any NAF event should guarantee the recording of your match result, regardless of races involved or your opponents membership (which is a different argument for a different time). Whether they should be included in the ranking calculations is less cut and dried for me, but I can't see these two races skewing the standings in any way.
As for other races, I'd say its a simple cost to benefit argument. Are there enough TOs and coaches wanting to include a specific roster for it to justify the use of NAF funds to support?
Without knowing the specifics of the NAF database, in theory it should be feasible to record all matches. Rankings can be calculated using some or all of the matches as preferred, or even give the option to the user. I'd have agreed with Gaixo in separating CRP and BB2016 rosters where they differ for recording purposes. They can be combined for rankings use if desired but also tracked separately when required.
We need a "Spare Player" in the Data base as previously argued about on different thread somewhere lost in the warp...