Bretonnian roster... What's the deal?

[plasmoid]

As for pushing my agenda: I repeat that there are 0 NTBB rules in, and 2 of 10 CRP+
And as for your description of my BB experience, you don't really know, do you. Though I admittedly never played on FUMBBL - which I guess makes me a noob in your book.

Cheers
I'm bowing out of this.

[garion]

You don't like the rule changes? Don't use 'em!
You hate seeing them introduced to Blood Bowl 2 by Cyanide? Don't buy the effing game!
You prefer to stick to official rules, like I do? Than do just that!

My solution for Bretonnian or Khorne rosters?
They are not official teams, I refuse to play them.

Problem solved.

This is what I am doing, believe me, but what happens if the NAF adopt these new rules because of pressure from people on cyanide who know no better and as a result fumbbl would have then take them on board, because fumbbl rightly follows the NAF.

Sadly the game is getting diluted with crap. I guess we will just have to wait and see where this will end up. But it has pushed the game is very bad direction.

As for pushing my agenda: I repeat that there are 0 NTBB rules in, and 2 of 10 CRP+
And as for your description of my BB experience, you don't really know, do you. Though I admittedly never played on FUMBBL - which I guess makes me a noob in your book.

Not at all, there are a number of people on here that I assume are good coaches that dont play fumbbl, I thought you were one, but when you think a player can be described as a flashy player or the focus of the team, or the star of the team and only have GP access 7338 then I can only assume that you are limited to very low TV play.

I feel bad for Plasmoid because his heart is clearly in the right place and I have seen his contriubution to the game dating back to the bb mags, but he has just lost focus and direction somewhere along the line and the results are not good.

[Regash]

but what happens if the NAF adopt these new rules

Then you smile, point your finger to the official CRP rulebook and refuse to play to inofficial houserules.
Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions?
Are you worried that no one will ever play Blood Bowl with you because you don't like the rules they use?
Well, it is your decision: Play something you don't like with many people or play something you like with not so many people.

I am pissed about Cyanide making all these rule changes and adopting Bretonnians.
But my choice was easy: I did not buy the game! And probably will not do so for a very long time.

[spubbbba]

I reference the existing rules (and Spubbbba) when I say that there are ST3 blockers in the game.

Seeing as how you've referenced me twice now I think I should expand on that.

I see blockers as being slow, good at hitting, well armoured and unagile. So compare a dwarf to black orc blocker they have the same stats and skill access aside from the dwarf losing ST but gaining block, tackle and thick skull. For me other blocker types are the nurgle warriors and flesh golems, mummies and guardians could be seen as blockers or big guys and chaos warriors and saurus are kind of part way between blockers and blitzers.

So Bret blockers on really fill the ST access requirement for me, lacking heavy armour and been too fast and agile. Though frankly I really don't care about the name, as you said they could easily be the blitzers and the knights the runners.

In reference to your no silver helms in the high elf team post. The original 3rd ed team did have Phoenix guard, lion warriors and dragon princes who are all the main elite in the army. The linemen were the normal warriors so there was no space for silver helms who have only slightly better stats than a normal elf.
Lion warriors are ST4 in the game and not especially fast so that may be why they were the first catcher to have ST3 and no dodge in BB.

[garion]

but what happens if the NAF adopt these new rules

Then you smile, point your finger to the official CRP rulebook and refuse to play to inofficial houserules.
Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions?
Are you worried that no one will ever play Blood Bowl with you because you don't like the rules they use?
Well, it is your decision: Play something you don't like with many people or play something you like with not so many people.

I am pissed about Cyanide making all these rule changes and adopting Bretonnians.
But my choice was easy: I did not buy the game! And probably will not do so for a very long time.

You miss understand i think.

The point is, the NAF are the sort of official governing body of the game, if they allow these teams in then they will appear at all table top tournements, while I don't have time at the moment for those tournaments, one day it would be nice to go to a world cup for example. But I wouldn't play in them if Quorn or bretonnia were involved. Similarly I play most of my games on fumbbl but if the NAF adopted these 2 teams, then fumbbl would follow suit, because Fumbbl rightly go off the direction of the NAF, hence Slann, Underworld and Chaos Pacts inclusion on fumbbl. But if Quorn and Brets appeared on fumbbl it would seriously limit the ways I could play this game.

The problem is, these changes are slowly going to trickle down in to TT imo and that is very bad for the game imo.

As I said lets see what has happened with this issue in a year or 2, i hope I'm wrong for the sake of the game.

[koadah]

but what happens if the NAF adopt these new rules

Then you smile, point your finger to the official CRP rulebook and refuse to play to inofficial houserules.
Are you that insecure that you can't make your own decisions?
Are you worried that no one will ever play Blood Bowl with you because you don't like the rules they use?
Well, it is your decision: Play something you don't like with many people or play something you like with not so many people.

I am pissed about Cyanide making all these rule changes and adopting Bretonnians.
But my choice was easy: I did not buy the game! And probably will not do so for a very long time.

You miss understand i think.

The point is, the NAF are the sort of official governing body of the game, if they allow these teams in then they will appear at all table top tournements, while I don't have time at the moment for those tournaments, one day it would be nice to go to a world cup for example. But I wouldn't play in them if Quorn or bretonnia were involved. Similarly I play most of my games on fumbbl but if the NAF adopted these 2 teams, then fumbbl would follow suit, because Fumbbl rightly go off the direction of the NAF, hence Slann, Underworld and Chaos Pacts inclusion on fumbbl. But if Quorn and Brets appeared on fumbbl it would seriously limit the ways I could play this game.

The problem is, these changes are slowly going to trickle down in to TT imo and that is very bad for the game imo.

As I said lets see what has happened with this issue in a year or 2, i hope I'm wrong for the sake of the game.

Fumbbl, Cyanide, NAF etc can do whatever they like. As long as they leave us the [L]eague division to play alternative rules.

Secret League \o/

[garion]

its not the league division I worry about really, people can do what ever they like in their own leagues, its what its for, its the TT tournaments, and ranked/blackbox that I do not want these teams in.

But only time will tell I gues.

[Regash]

The point is, the NAF are the sort of official governing body of the game

That is just plain wrong!
The NAF is an organization of fans.
Nothing more but also nothing less.
The NAF can adopt whatever they want, that doesn't make it official.

You are in now way obligated to be part of this organization or accept their decisions.

What happens on tournaments is something else as well.
Have you ever been on a tournament that hasn't been house-ruled?
The amount of gold you have to build your team, the skills you can put on your players, the ressurection of the dead and wounded players...
This is all not part of official rules and decided by the tournaments organizers.
Not being part of the NAF just pisses of your opponent who doesn't get credit for the game against you, that's all.
You wanna take part in a NAF sanctioned tournament? Then you have to accept the NAF house rules.

I'm not part of the NAF anymore. Why? Because I don't see any benefit for me if I was and spending money on the NAF doesn't make any sense to me.
Just to make this clear: This is MY opinion! Other people might see this differently.
I don't attend tournaments anymore and the number of leagues registered with the NAF in my area is close to zero.

[koadah]

its not the league division I worry about really, people can do what ever they like in their own leagues, its what its for, its the TT tournaments, and ranked/blackbox that I do not want these teams in.

But only time will tell I gues.

Well, I'm pretty much out of Ranked/Black Box because they follow the NAF and won't change the rules.
I don't play resurrection. I've no reason to follow the NAF.

The NAF can make the decision that suits them. If Christer doesn't like it he can make the decision that suits him.

If Cyanide were able to create a decent game I would probably buy it. I have not looked at the bret roster but really, I am not bothered if it is crap as long as it isn't too strong.

CRP was a decent effort IMO. But for me it's time to move on. Even if the changes are pretty minor.


I'm a CRP+ guy. I like CRP+. I like calling it CRP+.

I don't like NTBB. But... For at least one Cyanide MM division I would definitely go for something similar.
Cyanide should have Fumbbl style league options. Commishs are not going to be happy with rules being tweaked mid season. Let's hope that they have already considered it and that options will not be too difficult to tack on.

I like that Cyanide are moving the rules on. No one else is going to create a set of rules that will suit their MM divisions. No one who is not using the Cyanide game has to use their rules.

So, Go Cyanide! Just try to create better software.

[garion]

did you know they brought back ageing. HAHAHA way to piss people off.

[MattDakka]

did you know they brought back ageing. HAHAHA way to piss people off.

I'm more pissed off by Legend one turners and Legend clawpombers (the latter are a common sight nowadays).
Although I like Legend players (who doesn't? ) I'd like better a more even spread of skills on players.

[Regash]

But that is a problem of the minmaxing player community rather than the game itself.
At least it is in my mind.

[Bakunin]

I'm sorry but you clearly have very little understanding of this game. I never realized how little idea until no. Of course you need S access to be the star of the team, or GA access, it must be one or the other, a player with Gp is nothing but a lineman with leader access.

You can add a nameless quote if you like , it doesn't bother me, it is really clear just from this thread alone how overwhelming negative the feedback is for this roster from those that have played this game for any real length of time.

I'm honestly shocked at how poorly you have taken feedback on board. I just have to pray more of your changes aren't made to the game otherwise we will end up with leader minotaurs , fend wardancers and God knows what else. You need to take a step back and have a long hard look at what you're doing to the game, because it's starting to filter in to cyanides gamecyanides and could end up effecting the naf and then everything will have to follow suit.

The wardancer is overpowered. It needs to change. If you dont like fend, then come up with something better.. maybe MV7 ..

[koadah]

did you know they brought back ageing. HAHAHA way to piss people off.

Yep. And they made it optional for commishs to choose or not. That is what they should do for the rest of the changes.

Ageing doesn't kick in until around 80 or 90 games. If a payer lives that long. Better than ageing on a payer's first skill.

[dode74]

Yep. And they made it optional for commishs to choose or not. That is what they should do for the rest of the changes.

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