Fouling on the last turn...

[Joemanji]

i do believe the opposite, since turn 16 foul will not affect your current game cas total, but will affect your opponent firepower for the next game (game that he will probably not play against you), with his firepower lowed down, his future opponent is more likely to have an easier game and therefore farm a better team. That better team that you may face later.

This has always been my 'tactical' reason for not excessively fouling. No data to suggest I am right, but I do feel the best way to damage other teams is to have all your opponents play even match-ups and so compete throughout their games. If you destroy one opponent then I believe other people gain much more of an advantage from it than you do yourself. You may have even lost the game in which you commit the T16 foul. But if it kills a great player, then you are giving away both points and SPPs to all future opponents of that team.

[mepmuff]

Always T16 foul:
- Wardancers
- Gutter runners
- Players with Chaos Cup mutations
- The last snotling on the pitch

[fatfinley]

In progression T16 fouls are a little bit of a dick move. I'm all for fouling, but the game is over when the score cannot be changed and nobody can score any more SPPs. After that, fouling (or crowd pushes) are petty, vindictive and childish. Blood Bowl is both a game and an RPG, and by killing off your opponent's players (the aim of the foul after all), you are just lessening his future enjoyment of the game.

As for the "if it is in the rules" argument: there are no rules against spending the game stinking the place out with awful farts or wiping snotty fingers all over your opponent's models. It still reflects poorly on your character. There are no laws against being a massive pillock in real life. Still not a good idea.

But hey, that's life. There will always be a large number of people who act poorly and then snigger and say "what you gonna do about it? Ha ha!". But if you do act poorly, don't be surprised if you run out of opponents eventually.

Both Down Approved.

I have only read the thread up this quote. I think this sums it up best. Well said Joemanji!

[frogboy]

In progression T16 fouls are a little bit of a dick move. I'm all for fouling, but the game is over when the score cannot be changed and nobody can score any more SPPs. After that, fouling (or crowd pushes) are petty, vindictive and childish. Blood Bowl is both a game and an RPG, and by killing off your opponent's players (the aim of the foul after all), you are just lessening his future enjoyment of the game.

As for the "if it is in the rules" argument: there are no rules against spending the game stinking the place out with awful farts or wiping snotty fingers all over your opponent's models. It still reflects poorly on your character. There are no laws against being a massive pillock in real life. Still not a good idea.

But hey, that's life. There will always be a large number of people who act poorly and then snigger and say "what you gonna do about it? Ha ha!". But if you do act poorly, don't be surprised if you run out of opponents eventually.

Both Down Approved.

I have only read the thread up this quote. I think this sums it up best. Well said Joemanji!

@fatfinley,

So is that a an official "Both Down" statement that everyone who T16 fouls is a dick and a massive pillock ?

Dont mind me I'm just sturring it up

[Itchen Masack]

For me even suggesting that someone who turn 16 fouls is making a dick move, is a dick move in itself Taking things to a personal level which I dont believe they should be at. And if someone ever uses fluff as a reason for/against anything ever, then they should not be against turn 16 fouls.

For example goblins go into every match having to survive 16 turns of the opposing players trying to kill them, the walking spps that they are. On the (sadly all too rare) occasions when the goblins have the match sewn up by turn 16 and the mightyblow piling-on tackle player who has been killing goblins from the off, well he is currently prone on the pitch...now what would the goblins do realistically? That's right, they'd try to mess him up.

It's game with Blood in the title, and players get killed. It's not the coach getting killed out there, it's the fictional characters, and any coach who actually gets upset probably needs a reality check

All being said however, I would probably only turn 16 foul against someone who I didnt really like (or they'd been fouling my players) lol cause I'm nice like that! :p

[fatfinley]

@fatfinley,

So is that a an official "Both Down" statement that everyone who T16 fouls is a dick and a massive pillock ?

Dont mind me I'm just sturring it up

I believe the term used was dick move, I never called anyone a dick. Even I have made a dick move when gaming in the past. I try to keep those dick moves to minimum whether I succeed or not is other peoples opinion. In the end its a game called Blood Bowl so however it plays out is fine, if I choose not to foul great, if you choose to do so that is great too.

Continue sturring

[frogboy]

So your not denying the "massive pillock" part then

I'm a big believer in fluff and if it fits the theme then run with it, I also acknowledge that there are many frustrating parts to the game and have dabbled in as many of them as I have had used against me, it's the same with any other game system I've played. The best games I have had though have always been the ones with a background story to them and using it to build up a picture and give life to my "Game Pieces" and I always try and give my opponent a fair game, its enjoyable to play against someone who dose likewise. Sometimes this doesn't work as we all have different opinions but when it dose then great.
Unfortunately we are emotional beings and sometimes think we are justified in insulting people, why ? probably for the same reason I T16 fouled in the description from the OP, because we like to hurt each other and get sweet revenge.

Don't get mad, get even

[Digger Goreman]

I find it amusing that there is an ethical discussion about a game based on violence, graft and mimicking a drug-laden sport of grotesquely hedonistic thugs, rapist and murderers....

Fluff-wise, every turn is a zombie possibility for a Necromancer, so keep your arse off the ground or risk losing it! Also fluffy is the suggestion, iirc, in the rulebook of placing bounties.... Hardly the game for even suggesting ethical limits....

[Kilowog2814]

My 2¢ if anyone cares. To me, there's no such thing as a "dick" move in BB. If you want to foul on turn 16, that's the game. It's a legal move, so it's not something to get upset about.
That's not to say I wouldn't be mad if you killed one of my guys.
I think the main thing is there's a sort of unspoken agreement to not do something that's only purpose is to screw the other guy. If it has no bearing on the game at hand, then why bother?
The moment that unspoken agreement is broken, then it's on like MFDK! Next time I play that coach(no matter the team), I'm not going to have any reservations doing the same thing to him/her.
Also, there's the fluff aspect of it. I've played teams where they're goody two shoes and would never foul and I've had a couple teams where they were looking to cause as much misery as possible to appease their God, so I fouled more with them than ever. I also have it in my head that if one guy on the other team got all the touchdowns or killed someone important, then fluff-wise, my team would be looking for revenge. So if that revenge means stalking you down, dodging through tackle zones and fouling at a negative, then I'm doing it.

[burgun824]

Kilowog - If we ever get to play, I'm going to turn 16 foul you just for the fun of it. Prepare for it now.

[Kilowog2814]

Kilowog - If we ever get to play, I'm going to turn 16 foul you just for the fun of it. Prepare for it now.

Bring it! Just knowing that, I'm going to foul you before hand like a mad man! Bwahahaha

[burgun824]

Sounds like I need to start planning a trip to Oklahoma for a stompfest.

<<cracks knuckles>>

[siggyllama]

I'm proud to say that in my TT league, we foul anytime without compunction or reservation. We have even house-ruled an automatic +1 to the armor roll on all fouls. Expect your players to die, and you won't be disappointed.

[Kilowog2814]

Sounds like I need to start planning a trip to Oklahoma for a stompfest.

<<cracks knuckles>>

You should!
March 14th ... Orclahoma Bowl... I expect to see you there!
Also, we have Spiky the day after.
Really, 2 tournaments in 2 days... how can you NOT do that?

[burgun824]

Mmmm. I'll see. No promises, but I definitely want to do Orclahoma Bowl sometime in the near future.