Games Day anyone? (Now with added Khorne roster)

[GalakStarscraper]

However, the idea that 2 Halflings could gang up and get a 1-dice Block against a BloodLetter is clearly laughable from a fluff perspective

From a BB perspective as well ... you'd need 4 Halflings to do this.

[Don__Vito]

He said 'Letter', not 'Thirster'.

I'm going to buy a box of Bloodletters tomorrow!

[robsoma]

Me too!! GBBL Open league?

[kerrygray8]

For what its worth, in 'the league wot I play with my mate' I have gone to the Wikipedia entry on Beastmen and shamelessly (with no thought for my own safety) renamed the Khorne Roster players as Gors, Ungors, Bestigors and Doombull.

I don't play Beastmen in WFB (in fact, haven't played WFB for years....) so this move is probably staggeringly inaccurate and wrong on at least 15 levels (thank you Fry and Laurie....), but frankly, I don't give a poop.

I do like the idea of using the roster as 'a bunch of angry beasties'

[spubbbba]

Actually that would be a better fit than daemons for the team.

There are a few inconsistencies such as the ungors having less av than the gors and none of them having mutation access. But you explain that more easily or tweak those along with costs and I’d say it would work.

[Rewslaun]

I'm going to buy a box of Bloodletters tomorrow!

I too will buy a box of Bloodletters. Any recommendations on figures for the rest of the team?

[nazgob]

b) Your complaint about the names of the 4 player positions. Heard. Understood. (and hopefully saying it that way is clear enough).

It's clear enough for me.

[lunchmoney]

I'm going to buy a box of Bloodletters tomorrow!

I too will buy a box of Bloodletters. Any recommendations on figures for the rest of the team?

[Pakulkan]

Lets face it, from a fluff perspective the team would arrive, kill the crowd,bath in their blood and stack their skulls on the pitch. Arguments that this or that doesn't fit the fluff are pointless as the whole bleedin TEAM doesn't fit the fluff anyway!

Absolutely agree.

None of the Bloodbowl teams fit the WH background fluff.

Black Orcs are usually the most dangerous, clever and disciplinate orcs. Just a Pro-orc. Why don't they have Block? All agree Blitzers are the best ones in Bloodbowl

Slann are fat toad basterds that never move from their flying chair and rule Lizardmen. Why don't they have a Saurus or two in their team?

When humans have ST2? (okay, this is personal, catcher ST3 please!)

Why a treeman moves only 2 squares? In WH they have a movement comparable to minotaurs, humans, etc (MO 6 then?)

Where god is the Undead team in the entirely fluff of WH? They are from an ancient version of WH that passed years ago

Let's be honest. We heard about "Khorne", we saw a Bloodthirster image and we started thinking about ST8, Claws, Fury, Mighty Blow and so. We move our mind to WH (note the we) and exptect one thing that in fact we never demand on Bloodbowl: The WH fluff.

Fluff says that Empire men NEVER could join Skaven, Chaos, etc. in a grass pitch to play while public mix on the stadium. Give me a break. Better though, give Galak a break!

I am so so interested in see the initial proposals to Cyanide, a bit of the team design story and considerations about what to do this and not that. If it is possible, BTW. I understand the privacy issues.

At the end, we have a new team, with new playstyle (I found the roster quite interesting to play, never compared with Norses in the flavour) and new opportunities to scratch and paint miniatures.

Thank you! That's it.

[dode74]

I am so so interested in see the initial proposals to Cyanide, a bit of the team design story and considerations about what to do this and not that. If it is possible, BTW. I understand the privacy issues.

I wish we could, but those of us on the design team signed NDAs. I've only just been allowed to reveal the fact that I was on that team with Galak et al.

[Darkson]

At least there's someone to share the blame now (and you might not have been allowed.until today, but you were a lot more transparent in this than you are at WW ).

[Maverick]

Lol Darkson was just thinking that

I'm making no decision on the roster one way or the other, will wait and see how it plays - I agree the naming conventions are a bit off but it then appears as if the people who knew better had their hands tied and mouths gagged by people who obviously dont know ass from elbow... So usual GW and cyanide policy working as intended

[Colin]

I've stayed out of this discussion because I couldn't care less about a Khorne roster and I have no plans to buy the BB Chaos Edition. I'm not a Galak fanboy, but I don't dislike him (I've met him a few times and he's a good guy). I can understand that the rampant sycophantism on these boards can be a bit off-putting to some, but that should be left out of the discussion. Tom has stated that he used the Savage Orc roster as a basis for this roster, so maybe those who don't like it because it's called "Khorne" can call it the Savage Orc team and use appropriate minis to represent that in their TT leagues. I think the only reason that GW may have wanted a Khorne roster included in the Cyanide game is so that TT players would be more likely to go out and buy some WH deamon models to convert. Those who have stated that they are going to go out and buy a box of bloodletters are falling right into GW's trap. Maybe the effort should be directed towards getting the team renamed to "Savage Orc" if it is ever made official by GW and added to the CRP instead of complaining about the fluff. Those who want to play a fluffy Khorne team can dig out the old "He plays like a Deamon" article and play the Khorne team from that.

[Shteve0]

I'm going to buy a box of Bloodletters tomorrow!

I too will buy a box of Bloodletters. Any recommendations on figures for the rest of the team?

Figure discussion is over here: viewtopic.php?p=654162#p654162

[garion]

As for the folks demanding this team be killer .... REALLY? We create another bash-tastic team with CPOMB access ... you'd all have strung me up by my nads

This didn’t have to be a CPOMB roster, but a bash heavy team it certainly did. This is not that. The no mutations thing is fine really. But the rest is not Khorne. Even another CPOMB roster would have been fine, you keep telling us that CPOMB is fine after all. Fluff is the most important part of the process in team design. When I play with a roster it MUST feel like I am playing with that race. The races aren’t just graphics/models tagged on to a bunch of stats that have no correlation, this is what we have here though.

my name should NEVER to be stamp of goodnesses. The product should speak for itself"

Well it certainly does that!!!
Also it seems as though you HAD to use pit fighter, so I guess that can be forgiven to some extent, even though it is mind numbingly stupid. Not sure why you didn’t fight for another name that is also in the GW miniature range, surely they couldn’t have had any issue with Khorne marauder or something, GW sell those miniatures so it would fit there. Also the P access is just ridiculous.

Wrong. A fluffy roster I could have supported

Fair enough ... what is a fluffy roster?
Tom

Not this! I think any number of people could come up with a better (as in more fitting) Khorne roster than this within a day. Heck I would be confident of producing 10 rosters in a day that fit khorne better than this.

The very addition of a Khorne roster no matter what it was would have generated the same posts you are now making whether a player committee helped or not.

Wrong. A fluffy roster I could have supported, even if designed for (what IMO) an inferior ruleset (just like I supported Underworld and the revamped Norse). This is insupportable - hell, it makes JJ's Chaos Pact look well-designed.

Broken and fluffy, or balanced and bland/unfluffy.
Not sure what's worse.

One spoils the game. One does not.
Easy choice.

Maybe for powergamers. I prefer fluff and story to absolute balance, if absolute balance means we get given rubbish like this.

Definitely, though it really didn’t need to be either or. It could have been fluffy and balanced without much thought. Designers were clearly so worried about making this too good, they just made it bland and uncompetitive at any TV. That’s ignoring the fluff aspect too.

However, the idea that 2 Halflings could gang up and get a 1-dice Block against a BloodLetter is clearly laughable from a fluff perspective

From a BB perspective as well ... you'd need 4 Halflings to do this.

Another good point, completely side stepped. He said Letter not thirster, and 4 flings should not be able to 1 dice a Thirster either for that matter.

But a what I'm not getting here is the nay-sayers for the most part appear to be either A) asking for a massive ST 4/CPOMB roster (Which would have been openly dispised from the day it was shown by almost everyone) ... or B) asking for new skills which if realistic thought about before posting would be acknowledged were impossible.

a) And who’s fault is it we ended up with said CPOMB mess? And now you fear making a killer team using the rules you are responsible for?
b) No, no need for new skills. There is more than enough to create a good roster here and more than enough nega-traits to balance out a killer roster. You guys have just failed.

I know you had your hands tied, but if you think that that gives you leeway to ignore fluff and then claim you did a great job....let's just say we beg to differ.

And that is where we will agree to differ. At no point have I said I ignored fluff ... you did ... I'm not. I don't think we did ignore the fluff. So yes my friend we agree to disagree but at no point have I ever said I needed leeway. Those are your words ... not mine.

But you clearly have ignored it, in no way shape or form does this look like a khorne roster. If you honestly think otherwise so you seriously deluded. I’m sure Khorne will be really happy to see his Diving Catch, Leaping, Side Step Daemons. Really fits what Khorne is all about .

Are you not at all disappointed by the amount of negativity. Surrounding this??? Can’t you see the wood for the trees? The only people I have seen say they like it have been people that have said stuff like ‘ as long as Tom had a hand in it that’s good enough for me’ and so on, or- ‘I don’t give a stuff about the fluff’ these are hardly arguments for it being a good roster. I’ve seen a fair amount of indifference, but also a lot of hate towards this, and it is not just people that you probably label ‘haters’ . For people like Harvesmouse to come out of the wood work because he is so disgusted by it. For people like Darkson to turn his back on it and I could go on. You need to sit down and re-review this roster, anyone that honestly thinks this is acceptable for a Khorne roster is kidding them self, especially so when it has daemons in.

Also you have killed any chance of a good khorne roster being made official in the future.