Willy Miniatures : new KS !!

[Darkson]

Edit: Ah now I see, rereading the original statement I'd say that "Heresybloke" aka Andy Foster has advised Carl he'd need to seek legal action.

Or more likely Andy knows that Carls would have to take legal action - I seriously doubt he's using Andy as a legal brief. Seeing as Carl's already had a legal wrangle with GW, I'm sure he's more than capable for sorting it out for himself.

[bound for glory]

it was not my intent to offend or anger anyone here. if i did, i and sorry for it. i just see it as a miniature for a rather obscure game.

[Virral]

Edit: Ah now I see, rereading the original statement I'd say that "Heresybloke" aka Andy Foster has advised Carl he'd need to seek legal action.

Or more likely Andy knows that Carls would have to take legal action - I seriously doubt he's using Andy as a legal brief. Seeing as Carl's already had a legal wrangle with GW, I'm sure he's more than capable for sorting it out for himself.

Yes I do understand that, my only confusion was thinking that Carl was the one who ran Heresy. My point was the hypocrisy of this advice given Andy's own liberties with others IP, it doesn't necessarily mean the advice itself is wrong.

[Darkson]

And again, where does it say Andy has advised Carl?

[Virral]

I have no idea what your point is?

[quote=Darkson]So, even though someone that work's with Carl (Heresybloke) has said Carl would probably have to take legal action, you still think he shoul[/quote]

I interpreted this as "Heresybloke gave advice to Carl", but perhaps you just meant "Heresybloke thinks Carl should get legal". I'm not sure why you think that's an important distinction though? Either way it's hypocritical given some of Heresyblokes output, but I know you like to pick and choose what's OK to copy so I doubt a discussion is going to get us anywhere.

[Darkson]

No, I meant "Andy has said that Carl would probably have to take legal action", which means that he (Andy) is aware that Carl would probably need to take legal action to protect his IP. I can't see how any right minded individual can read that as "Andy has advised Carl to take legal action", but seeing as I know you don't give two-hoots about IP when it's a company you like, I can see why you're trying to spin it that way.

[Virral]

You do know I agree with you here, right?

The rest of your claims about me are total BS but I could not care less what you think of me and I feel no need to defend myself.

[spubbbba]

I’d advise Willy to just do away with the Thrud head altogether. It is just not worth the grief he’d get for selling it. Also if legal action was taken then unless you can get a lawyer to defend you Pro bono like Chapterhouse have vs GW then it would not be worth fighting it in court. Though I’m sure the defence lawyers could have some fun brining up the classic 80’s Conan film.

The owners of the Conan IP took the creators of He-man to court, I suspect had Thrud not been such a niche product then it would have got the same treatment. The He-man creators won that case, oh and with the new wrist guards and long hair head I’d say Willy’s model looks more like He-man now.

From reading the large threads about that case on warseer I think it would be very hard to prove IP infringement. It varies from country to country but the judge or jury would be looking at it from a layman’s point of view. I very much doubt whether the average Joe on the street could tell models of Conan, He-man, Thrud, and a dozen other generic barbarians apart. The BB Thrud model looks pretty different from the Heresy versions to me.

As Galak points out the old adage of the “customer is always right” is very true, even when the customers are being massive hypocrites.

Maybe someone should provide Willy with a list of IP’s that it is ok to infringe on? It seems that Doctor Who, anything by GW, Conan the barbarian are all good. Funny how when GW try to defend their IP then they are the bad guys.

[willy]

Hi all

Slight Confusion in regards to the Thrud/Thor Miniature, are you selling this as2 different models one (Norse God) with 4 heads, Shoulder Pad + Knee Pad and one that is a Thrud mini with just the Thrud head, shoulder Pad + Knee Pad plus a longer loin cloth and no bracers as the picture above shows 2 different bodies and head options?

"Yes, sorry, the final miniature is the left one with the crafted belt, bracers, shoulder pads and elbow pads, the loincloth has been servered and added more head option, I wanted to put some armour in order to forget about Thrurdd, now a lot of people is saying me it remians to Thurdd , Conan , He-man , Odin , Thor, and so on,... I only wanted to create a generic big barbarian. Any person that developes their muscles so much changes his proportions a lot."

Using that poor logic, maybe he should make Space Marines.

Many friends of me has asked me many times to produyce "space monkeys", I think it would be very easy to release 4 miniatures better than the current ones and sales would be high, but I preffer doing FF, as thechosengobbo said variety is good for everyone.

Thanks a lot to everyone who suport and understand me, and I want to apologise to those who feel offended, tis is a miniature that is not userd, that many new players not even know but I had a special interest and love to produce, I don't think sales will be very high. Anyway As far as I know the rights of Thrud as BB character belong to GW.
Many things have been added and changed from the original design, and the oficial picture would be painted with norse tatoos so that it will stand diferent from other miniatures in the market.
For me is a generic barbarian with many other reminiscenes, and acording from the combination of head and armour you choose you can get a very diferent result, any way all the barbarian in comic, cinema and so on are always very similar one to each other.
If some one want to buy it (shop or private customer) he can ask me to remove any of its component, as I don't see fair paying for separate pieces. The miniature will be sold as it is at the leftmost picture.

I think miniature helldorado "Quijote" is very beautiful homenage for spanidh culture ... "rocinanate" (horse Don Quijote) also , I want helldorado made "Sancho Panza" friend and squire .

I don't pretend to offend anyone, I only want to cover a market gap (I've recived many mails asking me to cast this miniature), and that's the idea from Willy-Miniatures, that everybody can get his needed miniatures without the need of paying high prices on ebay.

[bound for glory]

thanks, jorge! and thank you for the nice note you emailed me! you went above and beond with support for our memorial tourny, and i will continue buying from you. in fact, just made an order today!
class act, this guy!

[Darkson]

Oh well, thanks for making your position clear - unfortunately I won't be buying any more figures from yourself, nor from your resellers, which is a shame, as I think you make some of the nicest FF figures out there.

Hope your legal fees aren't to high either.


[Edit - fixed typo.

[Virral]

Wow Darkson you are such a hypocrite. You accuse me of ignoring IP when it's a company I like (something I'd love to see you show a single shred of evidence to support) and yet here you are, just a few days ago, expressing appreciation for something which is a blatant copy of a GW image.

Where is your righteous indignation when you don't like the company being ripped off? Oh that's right... you're the one to pick and choose when something is "wrong" based on your own personal preferences.

Screw over GW as much as you like, they deserve it for the way they've screwed over fans and other miniature makers over the years (not just of BB, in general).
Screw over a nice guy that helps the BB community? Then screw you!

[Heff]

The problems as I see it are

1 Carl agreed with GW that no mini's of thrud would ever be produced as a way of keeping the ip on thrud when he parted company wth gw. (as I mis remember the last time we had this).

2 Therefore Heresy are not producing a Thrud (as Carl and heresybloke are tight)

3 Therefore there is no "Gap in the market" because legally that market is shut (and bricked up)

4 Therefore "That head" is infringing the IP of Carl in a sector of the market he cannot exploit himself because of 1. As if Thrud could legally be produced then Heresybloke would be doing it.

5 Throwing accusations of hypocracy about when somebody makes a decision you disagree with which has no effect on you is not helpful

6 In any event its just like the Nazis (after 5 pages of this I felt it was about time for this)

7 Also it is too ugly a figure to see the light of day and should be stopped now (actually it is the second willy figure I hate, don't like the ogres' either, but nobody is a hypocrite if they do.)

For me this is different to GA. That was an accusation of theft outright. This to me is a questionable option on an otherwise ok (If ugly as hell - have I said that?) figure.

[Heff]

In fact replace the little head with another head with a long beard and a winged helmet.Then you would have a very tall dwarf (Carrot?) and I could hate it cos it was both ugly AND a dwarf

[Virral]

5 Throwing accusations of hypocracy about when somebody makes a decision you disagree with which has no effect on you is not helpful

The hypocrisy is where he accuses me of not caring about IP theft when it's a "company I like". It was a negative comment directed at me by an admin and with no evidence to back it up, made in such a way to imply I was somehow trying to "spin" or support this move by Willy... I think I've got a right to respond particularly when the hypocritical SOB actually does it himself.

I completely agree with your other points though, I really wish Willy would drop the head... it's not right and it's not worth it.