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The new Ogre team looks like this....

Lets design some models...

Oh we made all the models in a ST 5 size.... so we've gotta have enough to go around....

OK but we stopped a ful team of Ogres after the Big Guy teams so we can't jsut have Ogres..... so what players aren't so good that we can add them.....

Lets see we have Flings and Gobbos


Great idea... I think Gobbos fit better since they are naughty and sneaky.

OK well that's it then... no wait how many of each?

Well 2 positions, 16 players so 0-8 each

Great! What about rerolls. Well got to be expensive..... What's the highest cost of an official team?

70k - yeah that's right


OK lets play a practice game


3-0 v Norse....


Great what a team..... let's put them in the Mag........



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Post by Munkey »

Cynical but oh so true :roll:

Lets just hope there is a bit of tweaking before any of the current experimental teams becomes official.

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Dangerous Dave has nailed the problem right on the head!!

Why the f#<k do they design the models before the rules? How stupid is that?

I am really not upset that I can't get the BB mags. They sound like a bunch of crap to me.

Has Fanatic made one decent team yet? Hmmn? have they made a new rule that didn't need fixing? Who the hell is in charge over there? Does anyone actually play Blood Bowl at Fanatic?

If they do I doubt they would have a league with that Ogre team in it.

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I thought the Amazon and Norse teams were alright.

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Pariah wrote: Why the f#<k do they design the models before the rules? How stupid is that?
Personally, I'm glad there are "official" BB Ogres other Morg.

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I'm still not 100% on Amazons. I'm 99.9% sure they are balanced but something in me still just doesn't like a team that can get blodge that easily. Aslo, I have never seen them do poorly. I haven't seen alot of them, granted, but I haven't seen any in last place yet. lol


Darth, hey, I'm glad they are making ogre minis but they need to realize that they would sell just as many, if not more, minis if they had decent rules to go with them. The Khemri, are out of whack, the Necro team is lame, the Ogre team is just crap, they cut the Undead roster, any others? C'mon, Fanatic let's get it together. You can start by actually playing the game you are making rules for.

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It's kind of silly having three Undead rosters now...I mean, I realize there's at least that many Human ones, but...jeez.

It just seems like overkill in trying to jam the BB world into the WHFB world. "Oh damn...we need a Vampire Counts team...and now we need a Khemri team...hmm...what would a Dogs of War team look like?"

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Especially when the WHFB world keeps getting slimmer and slimmer. They keep cutting out races to expand others. Why try to make Blodd Bowl fit a world that is in constant flux? It's all just an excuse anyway. If they really wanted to make Blood Bowl fit WHFB they would have cut out the Chaos Dwarfs. They would have made a Brettonnian team instead of an Amazon team, and they would seperate the Chaos roster. Bottom line, they wanted to sell minis.

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Actually I've gotta agree with 'Dangerous Dave'.

With the buildup and pre-release information we've had for the Ogre Team with some great looking figures being developed we end up with this?

I mean, what was GW thinking? There was so much potential to develop a strong expensive team requiring lots of team development in leagues etc and then comes this complete rubbish. I was looking forward to seeing Ogres Blitzers and Throwers along with Ogre Lineman. Of course you need to have allies and the Goblins fit in quite nicely here of course. It gives them the Agility and ability to score TouchDowns. But this?

After all the time thats been put into developing the figures its such a disappointment to end up with a team with absolutely no thought at all! Its pretty obvious isn't it?

I would like to have at least seen Ogres with a bit more thought into the development of them. Lets see, you have an excellent Ogre Thrower Figure but in reality he's just another Ogre. At least make him an Ogre Thrower! Make him expensive at say 160K but give him Sure Hands and Throw Team Mate and make him the only one that can Throw Team Mate unless they pick up the skill. The rest of the skills would be pretty much the same with Thick Skull etc but make him more like a thrower.

The rest of the team I would give the usual skills, Thick Skull, and Bone-Head but take away Throw Team Mate and Mighty Blow. They may be Ogres but they're usual 'Standard Ogres' in reality so nothing to make them stand out from the rest of the Ogre Race. They just happen to play BloodBowl so let them start as standard. Of course they can earn these skills as they develop SPPs in the usual course.

There was so much potential for Ogre Blitzers as well but just add block of course and charge them 40K extra making them 160K. It'll make them flamin expensive and you would really need to think about buying this sort of player as its a tonne of cash for a starting team.

Something along the lines of this:

0 - 4 Ogre Linemen 5 5 1 9 Thick Skull, Bone-Head 120K
0 - 2 Ogre Blitzer 5 5 1 9 Thick Skull, Bone-Head, Block 160K
0 - 2 Ogre Thrower 5 5 3 9 Thick Skull, Bone-Head, Surehands, Pass 180K
0 - 8 Goblin 6 2 3 7 Stunty, Dodge 50K

Rerolls 80K

Make the Rerolls more expensive as the Ogres are going to use them and make the Goblins more expensive as well to fit in with this lot. After all you've got to be a damned brave Gobbo to play with this lot where there is a chance of becoming Lunch or Dinner :-)

I just think this would have made the team a lot more interesting. Its going to be a bit harder to develop a team in the long run this way but also a lot more fun to play as well.

After getting the magazine and reading it its almost put me of buying the team. Almost. But its definitely not a team I'd look to play in a league and definitely wouldn't allow it into a league or tournament I was running. Such a disappointment so such good figures. DOH!

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Its a wonder that Fanatic bring out any rules/figures for the total panning they get.

Either its a conspiracy to provide super hard teams that force us to part with our cash (damn those GW people - they must be sitting on a massive pile of cash from all those fantastic £3 miniatures they force me to buy) or they give absolutely no thought to new rules.

I for one, will wait until I've used any team before joining a mass public assualt on GW but as ever, the loudest voices are the ones complaining.

At least most of us agree that the models are terrific.

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Darkson wrote:I also thought the match report was confusing. For the 1st score a TTM managed to STUN an orge and the gobbo losing the ball. Turnover. Next we read, the Brutes go on to score. What was the Norse coach doing all his turn, scratching his arse?
Yep, pretty much. He suffered a turnover for illegal procedure according to the mag. Looking at the position he was in, it should have been pretty easy to retrieve the ball and protect it. I've no idea who these two players were, but they don't seem to be the biggest experts on the game.

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Do they read this forum? Have they noticed the response that each and every new team of theirs has received? Don't they simply care? Or are they really hoping that the munchkin appeal will help them sell more miniatures?

Incredible I say :pissed:

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Post by BigD »

Agreed. Whoever wrote the article made it sound pretty good. But only if you knew exactly ZERO about bloodbowl. DOH! Really makes you wonder doesn't it? GW Trollz Read? Nah!!! And their writing is even worse!

The turnover that should have been. Followed by a TD. Sad ain't it? Maybe we should be teach GW Bloodbowl? At least the way its supposed to be played?

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PS - And I guess the reason some of us complain so loudly is we're protecting OUR game?!? I've play tested this team just in the Java BloodBowl Tool. And its SCARY! Its the sort of team I'd like to play long term just for dealing damage BUT its not exactly balanced. And just a straight beat-the-crap out of the opposition. Then score while most of his players are unconscious. And for the opposition to get a reasonable chance of taking out an Ogre? Simple, use 3 players. Thats all. Hmmmmm So lets see, an Ogre Team is say 6 players needs 18 to slap them around, but wait, I can't get 18 on the field? No Shit Sherlock!

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Geggster wrote:Its a wonder that Fanatic bring out any rules/figures for the total panning they get.

Either its a conspiracy to provide super hard teams that force us to part with our cash (damn those GW people - they must be sitting on a massive pile of cash from all those fantastic £3 miniatures they force me to buy) or they give absolutely no thought to new rules.

I for one, will wait until I've used any team before joining a mass public assualt on GW but as ever, the loudest voices are the ones complaining.

At least most of us agree that the models are terrific.
What garbage.
If they want some praise then maybe putting some thought into the things they produce rather than treating us all like the "happy with any old crap" types that make up the majority of WFB/40K players would be nice.
The Undead teams were a farce. The Ogre team is a vast dissapointment to those of us who've been waiting for this for so long, since the first hints were released.
Think of the length of time this has been awaited, several months. This is honestly the best they could do? When I pay money for something I expect at least passable quality.

Which leads us onto another point: we're all complaining about this. Are we doing anything about it? Maybe its time we ALL got off our arses and started submitting stuff for BB Mag, which can then be archived at the NAF site and Tom's site.

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Post by BigD »

Instead of writing something for the GW-BB-MAG why not just straight write for NAF? That way we don't need to worry about the article getting completely butchered and might actually have some impact on the game?!?

I agree with Thadrin though as you'ld have guessed. So long waiting with all the buildup only to have the wind knocked out of sails when they release a crap lineup to go with some great figures. These have to be some of the best GW Figures I've seen in a long time. Especially for BloodBowl, but we're getting use to disappointment. DOH! Come on GW. Sort it out!

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