This is such a flawed argument...Piousman wrote:[quote=""Bum monkey""]Q: Is the seller GW?
A: No, so therefore it's a copy, right?
What happens if the Company does not accept a design, or the sculptor makes it for them, but does not like the terms? Anything cast of that is now a copy? Or a recast? Sheesh!
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It's actually a very tricky legal point and depends on how the model came into being. If it was commissioned by GW and they decided not to use it then it is their property, if however the sculptor did it of his own volition then offered to sell it to GW and they turned him down it is his property (though i think GW claim anything submitted to them becomes their property regardless if they use it or not
). of course even if the sculptor does own it we get into the whole legal shenanigans of potential IP infringement if he tries to sell it.My point was more about the legality of selling the model as I am unsure of who owns the design and whether it could be seen as an IP infringement or not.Galak wrote: Now I don't care if you buy one or not ... but as someone who casts up minis I am concerned by the incorrect use of the terms for this industry on the thread. This is not a "copy" or a "re-cast". It a production casting of a metal master. ALL miniatures that you own are normally production castings from metal masters ... its how miniatures are made. So if it is a "copy" or "recast" ... all the minis in your ownership are "copies" or "recasts"
Is it one of the original metal masters made by GW ... no ... but its exactly the same as what you would have received if the miniature had been mass marketed.
Just wanted to clarify this as someone who deals with the technical side of the industry daily so to me these words have heavy meaning and wanted to make sure they were being used correctly.
Re-cast whilst not the correct terminology is now starting to be used as shorthand for knock off or "unofficial" copy. After all someone could take an existing model and use that to make a new mould and new masters or if they had the time make poor copies and repair them to look as good as "originals".
I have unknowingly bought recasts in the past and it wasn't really an issue for me to repair the models, I was a little put out that the picture shown was clearly an original whilst the model i got was a less good copy.Galak wrote: Re-casting is when you make a production copy of a production copy (very bad) ... that is what you should call a copy or recast and quality is normally very much lost when this is done. That isn't what occurred with this figure.
I do find it rather amusing the prices some model collectors pay for old or limited models and how annoyed they get if they end up with a copy of a copy. I buy models because I like them and it is most frustrating to be priced out of the market by someone who wants to stick it in a box in the hope it goes up in value when I want to buy it to paint and game with it.
