B-r-e-t-t-o-n-i-a-n-s, really why not?

[Darkson]

@Darkson: Agreed. (Except the khemri thing, I think they're an interesting challenge).

You might be in the minority there (does that sound familiar? ).

[plasmoid]

Oh hey - have no problem accepting that
Heck, you could do a poll, but I'm sure someone would refute it no matter the outcome

[Darkson]

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Is Plasmoid in a minority?

Yes
No

That sort of thing?

[Krulfang]

Have to say one thing in support of plasmoids roster working (not going to argue it should be allowed everywhere, just supporting it's own internal consistancy).

Armor doesn't slow you down. Even full plate. This is the second biggest misconception with medieval warfare, the biggest being sword weights (the average greatsword was under 5lbs, longswords around 2lbs). Armor is balanced very well and articulated, so it's weight doesn't slow you down physically- it would just make you tire faster. Heck, you could do a sommersault in full plate mail if you wanted to. This means blitzers based around knights having high movement makes perfect sense.

Sorry, that's the medievalist within me breaking out

[spubbbba]

Have to say one thing in support of plasmoids roster working (not going to argue it should be allowed everywhere, just supporting it's own internal consistancy).

Armor doesn't slow you down. Even full plate. This is the second biggest misconception with medieval warfare, the biggest being sword weights (the average greatsword was under 5lbs, longswords around 2lbs). Armor is balanced very well and articulated, so it's weight doesn't slow you down physically- it would just make you tire faster. Heck, you could do a sommersault in full plate mail if you wanted to. This means blitzers based around knights having high movement makes perfect sense.

Sorry, that's the medievalist within me breaking out

Oh really?

Ok, let's see you run 20 yards catch a thrown ball then run anther 80 yards in normal sports equipment then try it in full plate armour.

I'm betting there will be a significant difference in time and you'd find it a lot harder to catch the ball too.

After all the big comparison is between a Brett Blizter and a human catcher, both are MA8 and AG3 only the catcher is a weedy ST2 AV7.

I think from a fluff point of view +ST or AV make more sense, even AG seems more likely than MA.

[Darkson]

Bret Blitzers should be 6/3/3/9 or I could push to 7/3/2/9. 8/3/3/8 is just wrong, even if it's balanced in the team.

[B SIDE]

Enough armour would slow anyone down- no matter how well articulated, or how appropriately distributed the weight may be. The effect of added weight on a body becomes especially noticeable when the athlete is expected to change direction during high-speed movement. (Although admittedly body mechanics has a tremendous impact on the limits of running speed, agility and endurance, allowing people to carry a broad variance of weights at decidedly similar speeds.)

Wait... is this seriously a thread about Bretonians in BB? Without horses?

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[burgun824]

It's not the weight of the armor that slows you down...it's how you have to move in it to maintain that speed. Full plate mail would restrict your agility to the point where you would suffer a speed hit.

[legowarrior]

I was under the impression that a man trained to wear full plate mail wasn't as encumbered as is usually assumed.


Composition

"Plate armour could have consisted of a helmet, a gorget (or bevor), pauldrons (or spaulders), couters, vambraces, gauntlets, a cuirass (back and breastplate) with a fauld, tassets and a culet, a mail skirt, cuisses, poleyns, greaves, and sabatons. While it looks heavy, a full plate armour set could be as light as only 20 kg (45 pounds) if well made of tempered steel.[2] This is less than the weight of modern combat gear of an infantry soldier (usually 25 to 35 kg), and the weight is more evenly distributed. The weight was so well spread over the body that a fit man could run, or jump into his saddle. It is possible for a fit and trained man in armour to run after and catch an unarmoured archer, as witnessed in re-enactment combat. The notion that it was necessary to lift a fully armed knight onto his horse with the help of pulleys is a myth originating in Mark Twain's A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.[3][4] (And, in fact, the mere existence of plate armour during King Arthur's era is a myth as well: 6th-century knights would have worn mail instead.) Even knights in enormously heavy jousting armour were not winched onto their horses. This type of "sporting" armour was meant only for ceremonial lancing matches and its design was deliberately made extremely thick to protect the wearer from severe accidents, such as the one which caused the death of King Henry II of France.Template:Http://www.themiddleages.net/armor.html
Tournament armour is always heavier, clumsier and more protective than combat armour. The rationale is that nobody wants to get killed in a game, but on battlefield the question is about life and death, and mobility and endurance is a more important aspect of combat survival than direct protection. Therefore combat armour is a compromise between protection and mobility, while tournament armour merely stresses protection on cost of mobility."

From wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour

To summaries, we often confuse the armor used in jousts and tourneys for the armor used in battle, which is much lighter and more flexible. You could even run down an archer. So, in the end, Burgun824, you are confused, and mistaken by your point. In the future, do at least the barest amount of research rather than just flights of fancy and the like.

[plasmoid]

Or to re-iterate my point:

Why are you guys even assuming that these guys are playing sports in a full plate armour?
No mention anywhere in the fluff that Bretonnian nobility is retarded.
Looks like a convenient strawman.

[plasmoid]

Or how about this:
Elf linemen are 6347.
Elf blitzers are 7348. They're faster than linemen, and at the same time they're wearing more armor?
Yet somehow the universe has not imploded



(Or maybe the Bretonnian blitzers can carry the extra weight because they're not ST2 pipsqueaks )

[tzoscey]

if they aren't knights, they are the same as other noblemen in the Empire, aren't they?
so you can play human roster...

if you want play bretonia, it's for their background (knights, grial and peasants); so you have to recreate a knight into a bloodbowl pitch or anything similar (a variant good chaosteam version as example)
if you want play with noblemen and commoners/squires, are there no noblemen along the rest of the empire?
so you can play human roster...

a player with a start stat : 8338 block dauntless
is cheesy, even more than wardancers (as the cheesiest peak of the game)
he is able to run faster that moslty elves, just for that it is no sense

i vote:
i dont mind a bretonian team if it's well balanced (cos they can give you something new, diferent)
and they fit as another existent race (cos they are HUMANs)

[burgun824]

"...Tournament armour is always heavier, clumsier and more protective than combat armour. The rationale is that nobody wants to get killed in a game, but on battlefield the question is about life and death, and mobility and endurance is a more important aspect of combat survival than direct protection. Therefore combat armour is a compromise between protection and mobility, while tournament armour merely stresses protection on cost of mobility..."

First off...don't quote wiki and think you're doing yourself a favor in an argument. It's not a valid reference. Secondly, the next time you're going to take a run at someone on a forum you may want to make sure that your argument doesn't contradict itself.

[plasmoid]

Keep pummelling the strawman, he's almost dead

tzoscey,
if your understanding of Bretonnian culture is that it is a country with people that wear armour and ride horses, then yes, the Empire has that too. So does most human nations I suspect.

And yes, other nations have knights too.

However, Bretonnia is more than platemail and horses, as I think most fans of Bretonnia would tell you. It's a feudal hierarchy with harsh nobility ruling downtrodden peasants - and yes, the religion of these nobles is connected to questing for the grail. Call them knights or not - being a knight/nobleman is not about platemail, just like being a witch elf is not about chainmail lingerie.

I agree that playing Bretonnians is about nobility, peasants and questing for the grail. That is indeed what the MBBL version is about.

he is able to run faster that moslty elves, just for that it is no sense

Indeed, he is as super-naturally fast as that other mythical creature, the human catcher.

Finally - quoting the team blurp:
In the fair land of Bretonnia arrogant Bretonnian nobles and their most trusted yeomen are questing for an alternative grail - the coveted Bloodweiser trophy. All too convinced of their own skill, the young knights fill out their team with lineman levy, drafted from the many local and remarkably incompetent all-peasant teams.
So there's knights, peasants and questing. They just didn't bring their platemail. They didn't bring their lances either. Or their warhorses.

Cheers
Martin

[Darkson]

he is able to run faster that moslty elves, just for that it is no sense

Indeed, he is as super-naturally fast as that other mythical creature, the human catcher.

Who wears less armour, and (probably) looking like a wide reciever (ST2 [not that I think WR are ST2]) and not a running back.
Sorry, 8/3/3/8 is just Cheese.