Given a choice, which race(s) would you remove? (from BB) :P

[Krulfang]

With a treeman...

Ah, yes. Well, there were also Chaos lizardmen, Vampiric Black Orc Blitzers, and rampant spellcasting. They also turned most of the team into Undead super-warrior at one occassions.

I have to say though, the only teams on Blood Bowl appear to be Ogres, humans, Undead, and Chaos in those books. I particularly like when two human throwers charge a mummy and take it down in one shot. One of them was stabbing it though...

No wonder the Bad Bay Hackers won

[Thadrin]

Also, I'd say Dunk probably had Dauntless.

I can live with Chaos Lizardmen, because the fluff of the chaos All-Stars has them having a snakeman as captain at one stage (near enough).

Was there a Vampire Orc? Been so long and I've successfully blotted most of the damn things out.

[Krulfang]

Skragger the Black Orc. He had the world record fr most TDs in a season, and was intent on keeping it through killing anyone that could potentially break it. He became a vampire at one point, and then a shrunken head.

Good call on Dunk having dauntless. Certainly true.

[Lunchab1es]

Undead, as I feel like it encroaches upon the playstyles and themes of Khemri and Necro (hybridizing them) without the sense of fluff and character that those two have. That feeling also makes it bother me that on top of it, Undead appears to be the strongest side.

Four kinds of elves is alot, and one of them would be next on my chopping block (High or Pro), but I can see the reasons for each. I don't really see a reason for Undead.

However, if I were given the power, I still wouldn't cut them.

[thrysstan]

i will also let them "be" as long as there is not a "too powerfull" team.
and i am more to get more teams, but different ones.
we need more different teams. in the skills and/or at least in the look.
(bretonians, werewolfes (that really mutate like in the past), more humans teams like a desert people team, a asian people team, a chaos team only (no beastmen), ...)

But if i still must choose teams to remove i will pick :

- the undead (3 kind with no big difference)
- the khemri (that could be more fun with a real difference, and maybe the only team with mummies)
- the pro elf (too flay for me)
- the underworld ( that could have a special big guy, or skavens and gobs with special skills )

[daloonieshaman]

There are no teams to be eliminated. Each has it's own strength and weaknesses. They all have a following.
Tweaking I would recomend for:
Undead
Zons
Pro Elves
Chaos
Khemri (add anubi (fast, agile, basic skills agility) 0-2 7 2 3 8 sprint jump up 90K (watch some mummy movies) and they are cool models
Orcs (come on have you ever seen more than two lineorcs on a team?)

If you have to get rid of a team there is only one absolutely clear choice
ORCS

I would propose a rules change in builds. You may never have more specials on your team than 0-16 "linemen" models (granted deaths but you have to bring things in balance before you can buy more specials)

[Kort]

I would propose a rules change in builds. You may never have more specials on your team than 0-16 "linemen" models (granted deaths but you have to bring things in balance before you can buy more specials)

Or: How to make Humans, Orcs, Skavens, Undead, Necro,... unplayable. Dwarfs win.

Interestingly you did not propose to nerf Dwarfs either Are you by chance sporting a long beard and chainmail armor ?

[Pagan]

High Elves. They are a Warhammer Fantasy Battle race. Not a Blood Bowl race.

They've been in the lore since at least 2nd edition. Not sure how they aren't a Blood Bowl race.

1. Dwarves. Easily the most boring team. Boring to play as and boring to play against.
2. Amazons. 6337... That really bothers me for some reason. Someone run faster than someone else.
3. Orcs. Agree with above statements. Too many specials on the team. Rather see 2-Black Orcs and 2-Blitzers allowed. Their lineman, which are great, never see play.

Other than that I don't have any major issues with teams. Well trying to figure out if my current player is a blitzer, berserker, runner, ulfwerener, or whatever the hell it is called now, but that isn't this topic.

*edit* add in #3

[Jonny_P]

My 2nd edition rulebook just says "Elves". They were Elves that play Blood Bowl. It doesn't say if they were high or not.

When 3rd edition came out, GW tried to mirror the current WHFB universe.....and bring in High Elves as team (Phoenix Warriors and such). It wasn't until much later they made the (wise) decision to try and get back to the fact that BB is a separate universe than WHFB. Hence the new human release and the pro elf team release.

[duckwing]

High Elves. They are a Warhammer Fantasy Battle race. Not a Blood Bowl race.

3. Orcs. Agree with above statements. Too many specials on the team. Rather see 2-Black Orcs and 2-Blitzers allowed. Their lineman, which are great, never see play.

*edit* add in #3

Hey, that's what's fun with the orc team. I can run a rookie team without any linemen (or with only one lineman if you like your rerolls)

[thrysstan]

Orks are fun, and having a team with few linemen isn't bad.
They are slow and if you take 4 black orks you have a very poor AG ratio.
Like always it is a matter of choice.
I think a lot of teams don't have as many choices as orks, but they should have, and with different skills.
Some skills are quiet never use in the game, and it is sade i think.

For me the slanns team is a very good exemple of the different skills new team could use.
They are very different from the other teams, but they have differents players that uses unused skills, and i like it a lot.

[Porkus_Maximus]

For me it would be amazons mainly because having 4 blitzers that can have block/dodge/guard @ 6spp is ridonkulous, I guess I'm just not quite sure what role they're supposed to fill. It's like they were designed specifically for "that guy" in your gaming circle, you know the one I'm taking about. The guy who always builds the cheesiest army, team, card deck or whatever.

[Ironjaw]

I would basically align Blood Bowl to the warhammer races:

Humans:
Empire
Bretonian
Halflings
Kislev

Undead:
Vampire counts (undead with Vamps instead of Mummies)
Khemri (Take skellys back to 30k and 80k blitzers)
Necro

Orcs (no goblins or troll)
Goblin

Ogre Kingdoms (Gnoblars same as snotlings but str2)

Beastmen
Chaos warriors
Daemons
Chaos dwarf

Dwarf

High elf
Dark elf
Wood elf

Lizardmen

Skaven

[inkpwn]

I would basically align Blood Bowl to the warhammer races:

Humans:
Empire
Bretonian
Halflings
Kislev

Undead:
Vampire counts (undead with Vamps instead of Mummies)
Khemri (Take skellys back to 30k and 80k blitzers)
Necro

Orcs (no goblins or troll)
Goblin

Ogre Kingdoms (Gnoblars same as snotlings but str2)

Beastmen
Chaos warriors
Daemons
Chaos dwarf

Dwarf

High elf
Dark elf
Wood elf

Lizardmen

Skaven

Well you can cut chaos dwarves and kislev off the list because they arnt a actual army anymore, but I would hate to see that happen. Blood bowl is its own universe if you were to do that why not take it even further? Warhammer helped inspire bloodbowl and DnD inspired warhammer and before that tolkien set the current 'rules of fantasy' (elves with bows, dwarfs with axes e.t.c).

I never want to see blood bowl comform to the GW life style. I just wish blood bowl was its own thing from a seperate company then we could stop all the comparason once and for all.

[bound for glory]

absoulutly none! i would add teams, as i think it brings more flavor to the game. if anything , i'd change the d6 to d10 to give more spread to the stats...