Taking a long time to score on purpose...is this unethical??

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 7:04 am

Artificial Penguin wrote:I guess I would draw the line at using this tactic if it weren't done explicitly to win the game. For example, if I were ahead by 1 already and it was the end of the game, then I wouldn't do something like this. And I do believe in giving my opponent 1 turn to try and get some SPPs with a pass or something...

Well, i don't. You don't win anything by letting them get SPPs for one turn. You might face the same team again in the future, so you might as well make sure that game will go as smoothly as possible. Besides, we all know that any team can score in one turn (except maybe dwarves).

it1infonut · Post by **it1infonut** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 2:10 pm

its legit, its fine. thats how i play

Post by **Dave** » Sun Jan 26, 2003 11:10 pm

It's all right by me.

There can be differences though. If my opponent had already lost several of his players I would not go on to kill his team and wait with the score.

At times like this you are usually more than 2 TD's in front so giving him the ball and a chance to score the 'Honour' TD is all right.

My opponent allways tries to kill off my key players in games where the team hasustained considerable damage allready.

He whines

when the same happens to him.

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:43 pm

Thadrin wrote:The problem only really becomes a question when your turn becomes "my players mill about a bit. No actions. Your turn."

Nah you'd never do that...part of the point of stalling is it gives you an extra turn to pound the crap out of team who you're stalling against! That way even if they DO get the ball back they'll be less able to do anything with it anyway

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 7:52 pm

Dave wrote:It's all right by me.

There can be differences though. If my opponent had already lost several of his players I would not go on to kill his team and wait with the score.

At times like this you are usually more than 2 TD's in front so giving him the ball and a chance to score the 'Honour' TD is all right.

My opponent allways tries to kill off my key players in games where the team hasustained considerable damage allready.

He whines when the same happens to him.

BOO!! I keep statistics of TD's allowed...I always go for the shutout. Never give them easy points!!

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Mon Jan 27, 2003 10:47 pm

Time is a critical question in Blood Bowl. So I think it's fair to wait and not score now.

D'Arquebus · Post by **D'Arquebus** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:54 am

As you can see Penguin, the overwhelming majority support the use of this tactic. Personally, I have won with and lost to this tactic and never once cried foul.

It isn't even limited to strength or grinding teams. A speed team could hold it at the end of a half to allow only 1 turn to equalise by their opponents.

You most certainly ARE playing the game. The objective is to score more TDs then your opponent to win. Nowhere does it say you have to score quickly to give them the chance to equalise. If it did we should all just give up and play elf teams.

BigD · Post by **BigD** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:54 pm

Reading this and I agree. That is the way the play the Undead Team. Actually any good strength team. I've done it myself and it can make a boring game of course but its all about tactics.

And as an American you should know all about it. Come on, the Knee in NFL? Its the same thing as keeping the ball carrier in play to count down the clock. Or going off the field with the ball (Forwards of course) to stop the clock. Tactics!

And thats exactly what the Undead do. Its called playing it Safe and Smart!

BigD

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Tue Jan 28, 2003 4:58 pm

BigD wrote:Reading this and I agree. That is the way the play the Undead Team. Actually any good strength team. I've done it myself and it can make a boring game of course but its all about tactics.

BigD

LOL! I remember that solid block of Orcs camped on the goal line at Tulips with a total of 3 skaven milling aimlessly around the edges....
Tick Tock...

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 1:55 pm

Hi all,
sounds like I'll be sticking out like a sore thumb.
Well at least the majority of my league agrees.

Here is our take on the issue.
Sure it is legal.
But it can get very boring!
When you seen a chaos team do nothing for 5 turns against a softer team, (except hounding the 2 last players), things get too boring for my taste.

The point is that I'd rather lose a close/intense game, than win a boring one.

Therefore we created a rule for conceding a touchdown if you are in a truly desperate situation.
You can see the rule and some feedback here:
http://talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3501

Martin

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 2:32 pm

plasmoid wrote:When you seen a chaos team do nothing for 5 turns against a softer team, (except hounding the 2 last players), things get too boring for my taste.

Then stay down and the turns just whizz by.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 7:34 pm

Yeah, those games are anything but boring as they're finished so fast. Then just start another one (preferably not against the same team!)

MickeX · Post by **MickeX** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 9:14 pm

So, next question: is it immoral when an elf players purposedly whines about his opponent playing the clock, to get a chance to score?

MickeX
(suffering from Diplomacy-inflicted immuneness to ethics)

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Wed Jan 29, 2003 10:42 pm

MickeX wrote:So, next question: is it immoral when an elf players purposedly whines about his opponent playing the clock, to get a chance to score?

MickeX
(suffering from Diplomacy-inflicted immuneness to ethics)

nah whining is always legal/moral, you just don't have to listen.