I really hate f***king stalling

[Digger Goreman]

'C'est la vie', 'C'est la morte'....

Hate it when it's used against me... hate it when I use it... but, like stat upgrades, I'm not gonna give you a shot on the equalizer.... In a league... forget it, pal, I stall not only to guarantee the win, but also to limit your SPPs since I'll be seeing you again.... In a one-off/tournament... no need to if I'm ahead by two and one score is all you'll possibly get....

And, since no one else has piped up with it: passing the ball around in the backfield, while setting up the long/bomb pass for the score, is the same damned thing.... Never seen an Ag3 team pull that spit.... Nevertheless:

'C'est la vie', 'C'est la morte'... it's all tactics....

[Asperon Thorn]

I can understand the frustration, but if you lose 3-0, it can't be because of stalling.

He received the kick off. And stalled for the first half, which I made him regret. 1-0 Him, Me.

He kicked off to me at the beginning of the second half. In which I immediately poured over the LOS and started beating up his team. "Ball, what ball?" In an attempt to stop the bleeding he "rushed" in and scored. 2-0 Him, me.

When he kicked off again, I did the same. 3-0 Him, Me.

During the last kick off he didn't have enough players to get a ball that was sitting unguarded in my backfield to make it 4-0.

3 deaths (2 to crowd surfing so no apoth, love my witch elves.)
8 SI's ( 2 niggle, 1 -1 str, 2 -AV, 3 MNG)

So, the funny thing is. I didn't say a word about his stalling, he said (while giggling) "Well I'm just going to stall here, since I can." And then all he did was act like a crybaby as I ignored the ball the entire game.

The morale of the story is, that you aren't helpless when you are being stalled against. However, I didn't enjoy that game. And neither did my opponent.

Asperon Thorn

[mattgslater]

Wow. Why the heck did he stall out in the first half? Score in T5 or T6, try to turn over and go up 2-0.

I agree with MeatLoafX, there's no excuse for giving up 0-3 except admitting that you got beat. Deliberately ignoring the ball and letting the opponent score when you're down 1-2 TDs is so unsportsmanlike that for one to proceed to call one's opponent out for stalling after such a game is laughable.

So you're both at fault on that one, in my book.

[Joemanji]

He kicked off to me at the beginning of the second half. In which I immediately poured over the LOS and started beating up his team. "Ball, what ball?"

How? Why didn't he either fight back or run away? Bad play or bad luck is probably why. So if you are that much better that you can do this ... why not in the first half to stop him stalling?

[mattgslater]

That's what I'm wondering. It's pretty darn rare that such a thing happens, but I've seen Norse teams fall apart on Turn 9 before. Stall out 8 turns, get whopped on the LOS, pull off a desperation score, get whopped on the LOS, pull off another desperation score, collapse with an unshakeable lead. I could see it. Still not very common. And teams that can do it usually either aren't good at stalling (Skaven, elves) or at desperation scores (Norse) or aren't likely to collapse from a lack of players (Necromantic). Amazons?

[Asperon Thorn]

Wow. Why the heck did he stall out in the first half? Score in T5 or T6, try to turn over and go up 2-0.

I agree with MeatLoafX, there's no excuse for giving up 0-3 except admitting that you got beat. Deliberately ignoring the ball and letting the opponent score when you're down 1-2 TDs is so unsportsmanlike that for one to proceed to call one's opponent out for stalling after such a game is laughable.

So you're both at fault on that one, in my book.

You are absolutely correct. Which is my point.

Asperon Thorn

[Asperon Thorn]

He kicked off to me at the beginning of the second half. In which I immediately poured over the LOS and started beating up his team. "Ball, what ball?"

How? Why didn't he either fight back or run away? Bad play or bad luck is probably why. So if you are that much better that you can do this ... why not in the first half to stop him stalling?

What do you mean? I DID stop him stalling.

That coach never stalled against me again.

Asperon Thorn

[mattgslater]

So you're both at fault on that one, in my book.

You are absolutely correct. Which is my point.

Sure, IMO but his failure is tactical (or a fluke as described above), while yours involves competitive ethics.

[Joemanji]

Wow. Why the heck did he stall out in the first half? Score in T5 or T6, try to turn over and go up 2-0.

Because a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. If you have any respect for your opponent you acknowledge that the person most likely to score on his drive is him.

1-0 up at half time puts you in control. Your opponent must either accept a draw or score before the end of the half and give you the chance to win 2-1. 2-0 at the half is better, obviously. But 1-1 puts your opponent more in control than you would be at 1-0.

[Joemanji]

What do you mean? I DID stop him stalling.

That coach never stalled against me again.

So essentially you used your better coaching ability or good luck to bully him into not using a valid tactic against you? How is this a moral victory?

[Asperon Thorn]

So you're both at fault on that one, in my book.

You are absolutely correct. Which is my point.

Sure, IMO but his failure is tactical (or a fluke as described above), while yours involves competitive ethics.

I disagree. What I did was no worse than stalling.

Asperon Thorn

[mattgslater]

If you have any respect for your opponent you acknowledge that the person most likely to score on his drive is him.

Generally, but not always. What team races are we talking about? If you're some kind of elf/rat jobby and your opponent is Dwarfs, and you're kicking off to him at the bottom of T6, his odds of scoring are pretty bad, so that may not be true.

[Asperon Thorn]

What do you mean? I DID stop him stalling.

That coach never stalled against me again.

So essentially you used your better coaching ability or good luck to bully him into not using a valid tactic against you? How is this a moral victory?

Because I do not acknowledge stalling as a valid tactic. My position is clear. And if you are going to use it against me than I will go out of my way to make the game miserable for you.

Asperon Thorn

[mattgslater]

I disagree. What I did was no worse than stalling.

Lovely thing about ethics, huh? Reasonable people can look at the same evidence, hear the same arguments, and come out with completely irreconcilable conclusions.

See, I'm not a staller by nature, but I don't much mind being stalled on. For one thing, I love nothing more than breaking a cage and taking the ball away, unless it's holding the net and shrinking the field. But nobody runs up the score on me. I mean, it's not like it's never happened, but every multiple-TD loss is burned into my brain.

[Asperon Thorn]

I disagree. What I did was no worse than stalling.

Lovely thing about ethics, huh? Reasonable people can look at the same evidence, hear the same arguments, and come out with completely irreconcilable conclusions.

See, I'm not a staller by nature, but I don't much mind being stalled on. For one thing, I love nothing more than breaking a cage and taking the ball away, unless it's holding the net and shrinking the field. But nobody runs up the score on me. I mean, it's not like it's never happened, but every multiple-TD loss is burned into my brain.

High Elves vs Dark Elves. . .

I always thought it would be an interesting sociological study. . .to see the gaming personalities of people that are naturally inclined to play Dark Elves vs those Naturally inclined to play their pompous cousins.

If I have stopped playing the ball, I couldn't care less what the final score is. Although Rarely will I run up a score AND run up the cas count. No point in adding insult to injury. I choose one or the other. . stallers make it an easy choice.

Asperon Thorn