BB-Mag 5 Lots of fun stuff

[GalakStarscraper]

though I am a bit concerned about every second team owning a chainsaw.

Bah ... no ones so far in my life has actually managed to get me with a Chainsaw. Had the luck of always KO'ing/hurting the b*stard with his own +3 to AV as soon as he gets the thing started.

Galak

[Colin]

Yea, I always liked doing that, wait for the git to get it going and then blitz the b*st*rd and watch him take himself out as he falls on his running chainsaw.

[Ghost of Pariah]

Galak wrote:

For the allied teams, I'd add the rule that if the native race could use a Secret Weapon then that player can be armed with one.

Uh...be careful... especially with the Chaos Pact. Under the current rules this would allow a team with a Minotaur, Troll, Ogre, and nearly every weapon out there. I think the combo of bombs and 3 big guys could be nasty for this already broken team!

[sean newboy]

I dont think its that unbalancing, if i remember correctly its still gonna need the reciever to have diving catch 50% of the time. Your basically talking the old Hail Mary play, i have seen higly experianced (200+tr) teams fail on that and they have easy access to diving catch and ag 4+. Any dwarven teams want to rely on it, please do, i will keep an ag 3+ guy in the backfield to scoop it up.

[Mestari]

I'd like to state that I'm not in favour of all the changes Galak suggested. I like more restrictions, especially what comes to the chainsaw.

[Redfang]

I know I'm slightly off topic on this one, but can you or can you not use a chainsaw in a Blitz, so, can you or can you not move and use your chainsaw in the same turn.

Just wanted to know that one.

R

[GalakStarscraper]

I'd like to state that I'm not in favour of all the changes Galak suggested. I like more restrictions, especially what comes to the chainsaw.

Mestari ... you are no fun at all. The MBBL2 allows all these team Chainsaws and NO ONE uses one. The TWO chainsaw players the league has had in 2 years (230 teams have played in the MBBL2 in that time) are both retired.

I have zero idea why the concern by two posters over the chainsaw. If the rules allowed him to blitz with the thing the turn he started ... fine ... I'd understand. But they don't. No one has ever attacked me with a chainsaw in all my time with BB. They started I knock the guy down on my turn and that's usually all that you need to do to remove him from play. Unless they set up a cage to defend the chainsaw player, he's going down.

IF I had included an AG 4 team on the Chainsaw list .... again I could understand, but I didn't for obvious reason.

Sorry, chainsaws scare me not at all. It usually a great way for me to KO a player from the other team and with the low SW roll, its one less player pretty quickly after that.

Galak

[GalakStarscraper]

I know I'm slightly off topic on this one, but can you or can you not use a chainsaw in a Blitz, so, can you or can you not move and use your chainsaw in the same turn.

Just wanted to know that one.

R

Yes you can use your team's blitz action to move and attack with a chainsaw and move some more.

Galak

[GalakStarscraper]

I'd like to state that I'm not in favour of all the changes Galak suggested. I like more restrictions, especially what comes to the chainsaw.

Sorry Mestari ... gotta ask again ... what worrisome ... I went back to my list of adds for the saw:

Chainsaw: Amazon, Khemri, Necromantic, Norse, Nurgle's Rotters

Okay, one by one:
Amazon: An AV 7 player with a chainsaw is not long for my world, not scary
Khemri: AG 2 AND AV 7 ... okay this I'm really not concerned about. And I seriously doubt anyone would give the ball to one of the only 4 players with AG 3 on the team.
Necro: Now in the hands of a Wight a chainsaw is interesting since they have AG 3, Block, Regen, and AV 8. However, I think the MBBL roster for the Necro has gained a lot of support and could become the official roster (sans Ghoul Kicker) which reduces the Wight count on the team down to 2. If that change comes to pass, I doubt teams will want to risk the Wight ejection. Letting the Ghoul have it is a good way for the Ghoul to die. AG 2 Zombies and AG 2 Were don't scare me with Chainsaws really.
Norse: Having Block helps, but again the AV 7 makes the Chainsaw player an easy kill.
Nurgle's Rotters: This team is so similar to Chaos which gets a Chainsaw, I'm not sure I see the issue.

So I guess my question is which team(s) on my list concerned you?

Galak

[sean newboy]

Having been talked about by Galak in this thread (dint even realize i was only 1 of 2 coaches), i feel i have to respond. Are chainsaws dangerous, yes, are they capable of malicious destruction, yes, is that why i took one, yes. Are they good and smart bloodbowl, NO! No coach serious about winning with a team and has a choice of either a poison dagger or a chainsaw, ever ever ever takes the chainsaw. 1) if u move b4 attacking with a pd, u dont loose your blitz. (2) An ag 1 player can use the dagger without the coach looking like a lackwit. (3) U can use the dagger on the 1st turn (stupid pixie, why they. . .). (4) Penalty rolls.
My chainsaw guy should have been named Target, as every chainsaw wielder should have been since i started playing bloodbowl.

P.S. Its about durned time the PD was more than 10k, Thank You Neo.

[Mestari]

Sorry Mestari ... gotta ask again ... what worrisome ... I went back to my list of adds for the saw:

So I guess my question is which team(s) on my list concerned you?

Ok, I'm not fun, but I just don't like the idea of everyone having access to secret weapons. I can hardly argue with the way you supported your suggested changes. At least on paper none of them seem too good, although amazons would have a pretty decent supply of blodge chainsaw-players, which might be a worry.

However, I don't think many people have very well-thought out chainsaw tactics. We all know how to take them out, but it will be interesting to see whether people develop proper tactics for their use and tactics to counter anti-chainsaw-tactics such as those that you're using. Now that the chainsaws will probably be found a lot more often on the pitch.

[Redfang]

1) if u move b4 attacking with a pd, u dont loose your blitz.

I don't think that's an official rule, right?

[GalakStarscraper]

Now that the chainsaws will probably be found a lot more often on the pitch.

I really wonder if they will be. I mean the 8+ roll means the player is very likely to get ejected. The +3 to his AV means he likely to hurt himself with the darn thing, throw on top of that the weapons have a 50% of getting taken from you if you fail the SW roll and I'm really wondering how many folks will be lining up for 30k chainsaws.

I guess, I'm just not concerned. If the Necro team gets 4 Wights that the only team I see really using the Saw from the extra list that I provided to decent advantage.

At this point of course, we are now down to guessing how it will play. Season 3 of the MBBL will have secret weapons .... and I'm betting other leagues will start using them as well. It will be interesting.

Galak

..... hmmmmm .... one more thing to program into the PBeM tool ... SW confiscation ... hmmmmm...

And Neo just for the record ... I would support dropping the price just a little on the Deathroller .... maybe 10 to 20k. If you've ever used one, the darn thing is practically worthless.

Which raises the question .... what is the official answer for Secret Weapon rolls for injured players. I assume KO players still get them, but do Badly Hurt plus players still roll for SW on the drive? Or for that matter do the KO player roll? Don't have the rulebook in front of me, but maybe the Deathroller isn't so bad if it doesn't have to roll for SW if its not on the pitch ..... never seen one finish a drive before.

Galak

[martynq]

Sean is dead right in what he says above. I played against one of the teams in the MBBL2 with a chainsaw (I can't remember if it was Sean's) and as soon as the chainsaw went on, I immediately went after the chainsaw wielder. Much easier to blitz him and watch him injure himself, than to have him use it on my team.

Saying that, I did once play with a gobbo team against a wood elf team and win 5-3, with my chainsaw wielding gobbo making nice work of the wardancer.

Cheers,
Martyn

[Zombie]

1) if u move b4 attacking with a pd, u dont loose your blitz.

I don't think that's an official rule, right?

No it's not. I don't know where he was coming from with this.