Discuss Fantasy football-style board games - GW's Blood Bowl, Impact!'s Elfball, Privateer Press' Grind, Heresy's Deathball, etc. THIS IS NOT AN NFL FANTASY FOOTBALL SITE!
Pariah wrote:So before you call my opinion rubbish why don't you ask yourself why GW is doing something incredibly unpopular? The have an excess of Frank N. Stein and Wilhem Chaney minis. Plain and simple.
Ya all do know that Mark Bedford is scuplting new Werewolf and Flesh Monster figs right? Using Frank and Wilhelm was only a temporary measure until the new figs for these positions are released next year. After which Frank and Wilhelm will most likely show up as freebootable Necro stars.
Still no reason to ditch a perfectly excellent and well loved team. Still the only reason to get rid of that team is to try to force people to buy minis.
First. I like the fluff around the three new undead teams.
I do not see why they won't be able to exist next to the 'old' team (making the choice four undead teams)
I like the frank 'n' Stein and Wilhelm figs, so bought them straight away.
I do think GW (Greedy Wizzards isn't it ??) is after money but BB and the other specialist games may be just too small to be there just for money making. (that's not saying they should cost GW money !!)
I think they see it more like a 'binder' for all kinds of players that play fantasy / 40K / LotR OR to get the people playing specialist games into the big three.
Still, I feel were not of bad. I think there are many companies that would NOT make a fanatic or organize tournaments the way GW does
I don't mind them splitting up the Undead teams. Hell, I should really strip off and repaint my Undead team anyway, so I'm really not bothered. If you DO have an undead team we're talking about a couple of figures. We're NOT in breaking the bank territory, and if you want to look it another way, you can buy the equivalent of a new team of figures and get TWO new teams to play.
What I object to is the fact that the rosters all suck so badly that I'd never want to use them. If we can get that sorted out - which I think might happen because there isn't a single person who likes them as they stand (Magic Helmets... ) - then I really am not bothered.
I'm not keen on GW's major money making plans (the whole rerelease of Chaos Space Marines basicly convinced me to collect Loyalist marines instead because I couldn't be arsed buying another codex...even though those new Obliterators are sweeeeeeeet) but as has been mentioned - they're a business. Its the way it is.
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Can anyone answer why they can't keep the current roster? Why is that a business thing? It's a popular product and proven to work.
They may be a business but they are making a "New Coke" desicion. If nobody tells them that then we are gonna alot more Crystal Clear Pepsis, Pepsi Blues and Diet Caffine Free MT Dews.
I'm still waiting for Fanatic to give me just one Code Red.
I agree with Pariah. I'm not even talking about minis here. That's really minor. The current Undead minis can and will easily represent Khemri, Necro, or Classic Undead. I don't recognize Vamps yet.
The old Undead roster is good, tried and true, unbroken... whatever you want to call it.
Are we really speculating here? GW is selling the Undead on their website. I don't really see them going away. They never will in any league I run BTW. All I've heard is a bunch of speculation and people getting upset about something I can't even conceive of. If they only want to sell minis, they'd be better off keeping the old roster.
None of this makes any sense to me. I think you are all making a bunch of noise for nothing. I only hope you're making the same amount of noise directly to JJ, Andy, Fanatic, et.al. I can stand on a street corner and yell about how bad I want to see Snotlings back but even the people who know what I'm talking about will just sadly shake their heads over the futility of that effort. This forum may be focused but we are a small minority of the Worldwide coaches, I don't care what anybody says. Some may take some of what we say into account but this forum actually has very little voice if the views here aren't being directly piped into the offices of the decision makers as well.
Here's my two bits ($0.25 for those not up on 1920's US slang). It's a bit long-winded, so bear with me.
I have a pet theory on this issue, and here goes. Sure the Undead team is fine. A lot of people play it, and that's really nifty. Let's think about why they would want to retire it.
Sure, it could be a grab for our wallets. Make the old team obsolete, then we all have shell out our forty clams to get teh new team. Sounds like the perfect crime, right? Well... no.
My take is that this hobby is totally fan-based. If people aren't fans of it, they won't participate. So it's in the best interest of the company to keep people happy. The whole "my way or the highway" attitude wouldn't help them keep customers. I used to work at one of the GW retail stores, so I know that the entire corporate philosophy behind those places, and the company as a whole, is to get people hooked. Make fans out of people, and they'll remain loyal consumers. If GW goes around blatantly disregarding the attitudes of its customers, it will soon be out of them.
So here's why the Undead retool-- new consumers. By lining up the Undead teams with the new edition of WHFB, they can get new players into the hobby. "Look, here's a team that's just like my Fantasy army! That's whay I like anyways, so I think I might try this new game." Hence the Khemri team, etc. Now I know that the WHFB armies don't include Flesh Golems or Werewolves, but the VC army doesn't have Mummies, either. With the recent release of Khemri, it's probably important to the company to keep Mummies/Tomb Kings as a purely Khemrian (?) area.
Maybe this does leave older BB players out in the cold, especially Undead coaches. But hey, nobody is saying that you can't use your old teams. The new rules aren't official (yet). Sure, maybe they will be shortly, but that doesn't mean that you have to follow the official rules. Does anyone here not play with house rules? I see this as a generally positive development, as it just may encourage new blood to join in playing what I think to be the coolest of all the GW games.
Well I'm beginning to realize that my opinion of the rules means very little since the only place they are official is at tournaments and since there aren't any tournaments in my neck of the woods I really don't care. I'm quickly losing interest in PBeM league and my league buddies gave up on the BBRC awhile back. It's quickly become obvious to me that Blood Bowl has gone the way of Talisman and Warhammer Quest.
Pariah wrote:Well I'm beginning to realize that my opinion of the rules means very little since the only place they are official is at tournaments and since there aren't any tournaments in my neck of the woods I really don't care. I'm quickly losing interest in PBeM league and my league buddies gave up on the BBRC awhile back. It's quickly become obvious to me that Blood Bowl has gone the way of Talisman and Warhammer Quest.
Dude, tournaments happen because people run them. What happened to that Quad Cities idea? Make it happen! Just get some people together, drink some beer and have a blast.
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I don't know about BB becoming the next GW dodo. There seems to be a swell of support with the rerelease of the boxed set. Both of the GW stores that I frequent here in Michigan are planning to host a weekly BB night and league. Whether they get off teh ground or not is only matter of fan support, as I see it. Now that stores are stocking the models again, I think that the whole game will see a lot more players.
...is that this smacks of GW trying too hard to make the teams match up to their Fantasy Battle counterparts. The new undead teams, in my opinion, are both unbalanced (Khemri too strong, Necros too weak). Sure, it matches up with the fantasy battle crapola, but there's some serious questions as to how well those teams fit in with the rest of Blood Bowl.
To me, just tossing out the old team is very slipshod and if they do it, I won't be happy. It's bad enough that the 'rulebook' I just bought doesn't have the Amazon, Norse or Lizardman team in it..now I might have to scrap my undead team. This is just another example of the slipshod way this game is run by those that produce it. We've got a game that requires volumes of errata to fill in all the potential applications of the rules, yet we hear nothing from the producers about any kind of official release to clear any of this up. The rules themselves are so out of whack that the game requires a 'rules review' every October just to keep it going. You want the game to be profitable? Fix the basics of the game and worry about putting out new figures later.
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Again I say there will be NO problem if the Undead team is allowed to live ( ) next to the three new teams.
It opens different options for both the older players that like the undead and for newbies out of Warhammer or people that might be interested in a (slightly) different team.
Well when I asked how many would be willing to come I got about 2 or 3. Couple that with a total inability to get any of the new material and I'm about done.
Hey, I have only just finished painting my Undead team! With Mummies!
...and I have just picked up a Frank and Chaney from eBay...
maybe I'll just have to put them will all the other GW stuff I have that is now "illegal"...3rd ed WFB stuff, 2nd ed 40K orks, 1st & 2nd ed Epic...sigh...
) - then I really am not bothered.
) next to the three new teams.
