What!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Olaf the Stout · Post by **Olaf the Stout** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:03 am

Jelliko wrote:Is it the quality of the figure or the stealing aspect of recasting that bothers most of you?

Both. I am also bothered that the recasters aren't being up front about the fact that they are recasts. Imagine if you spent as much as that person did on Zara, only to find out that you didn't even get an original.

Olaf the Stout

dkbonnes · Post by **dkbonnes** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 6:14 am

GalakStarscraper wrote: Recasting is a 3 way crime.

1) If the figure is still in production it steals sales away from that company.

2) If the figure is no longer in production it steals money away from the folks that are lucky to now have a collectible.

3) Since recasts are always worse in qualtity (there is no way to avoid this). It creates a mental inaccurate image for those that purchase the figure of the quality that the company that made the real miniature.

I'de like to ad one little thing to that, when recasting you also steal someones creative ideas. Someone put allot of effort in making the origenal, putting allot of his/her creative "self" in there (in one way or the other), making it fit the team and its "moot", giving it detail. None of that can be found in a recast.

I my self do paint on canvas and draw, now and again some one does repaint/copy's some of my paintings and drawings and no matter what level they draw/paint at, there is always loss of the idea that was behind the origenal painting/drawing.

Just my two cents worth of thoughts on this.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:18 am

Personally, I've no problem with recasts of out-of-production figures, as long as a) the company that originally produced them isn't making them anymore (i.e. GW, defunct), and b) it's made clear upfront that it's a recast.

Recasts of current figures is a no-no in my book though.

thechosengobbo · Post by **thechosengobbo** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 9:18 am

Man, someone should message all the bidders and tell them not to accept any 2nd chance offers.

I'm at work, so I can't (hooray for ebay being blocked

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Darkson Designs · Post by **Darkson Designs** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 3:40 pm

Recasting is wrong. It should not matter if it is a out of production miniature or from a company that you don't like. Its is wrong!!!!

I produce miniatures (AE-WWII) and if I found out that someone was making reproductions of my miniatures I would hunt them down and have a talk with them face to face.

Igor Tahavanale · Post by **Igor Tahavanale** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 4:18 pm

For the most part I agree.

OOP GW (for example) figures I see as an exception under certain circumstances. If they're retired them to move on (i.e. updated the models for a team) then I don't see re-casting as acceptable. If, however, they have rules for a position or player (Helmut Wulf is a great example) and no figure support for their own rules, and still won't produce an old figure to fill the void, then screw them, they have it coming.

<<< obviously if I were a collector I'd like to know up front though... and that's not going to happen

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Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Jul 25, 2008 5:29 pm

Once BBFigs.com gets all the current BB stuff available on the webstore.

We are going to have a very serious dicussion about if there are figures from any of GW's range to match the missing stars.

I've found figures to fill in the basic rosters for every team for missing players (ie Snotlings, Nurgle Beast, Ice Troll, and Assassins) ... but the Stars will require some work talkig to all of you about what our options are.

At the end of the day ... I'd like to be able to have on BBFigs.com something to fullfill all the needs for each slot on Blood Bowl.

For example ... maybe carrying this figure in BBFigs.com:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catal ... rod1040016
for Bertha Bigfist
(likewise another example is the collector's version or new version of Vlad von Carstein would make a new replacement for Count Luthor)

However if I do any of these figures where conversion is needed I want to make sure I include a PDF that shows a suggested way to perform the conversion (and heck ... maybe even include some Procreate with the figure to help with the work).

Galak

Thordallim · Post by **Thordallim** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 6:08 am

see Galak if you worked for GW they would probably be making money on their modelzs , instead of having to overcharge to make the bills.

Hope you get BBfigs and Impact running as smoothly as you planned it out at the start.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Jul 26, 2008 3:10 pm

Thordallim wrote:Hope you get BBfigs and Impact running as smoothly as you planned it out at the start.

I do to.

The combination of Impact! and BBFigs have made a net loss of around 22000 GBP for the 2 1/2 years we've been open (so if anyone thinks we've been getting rich off this ... there's the reality). However that because we've been very very focused on growing this company into a real business if possible instead of a hobby so all profits and extra money from the 3 partners have been sunk into it to grow it.

After our GenCon release the Impact! store will have 170 different miniatures for sale in it. In addition to the magnets, base weights, felt dots, carrying cases, tokens, felt mats, dice and a great board game that we've added as well.

So after GenCon ... we plan on taking a break from growing. At 170 non-limited edition figures we have a range for Fantasy football figures that is about as large as GW's.

So we have a planned slow down coming for Impact! growth after August.

We are going to finally after 2 1/2 years see if Impact! can make money as a company and pay off the partners for the extra cash they've put in to make it what it is. For the rest of the year Impact! only has currently schedule to release one new team (Middle Kingdoms) with around 16 figures for that and around 7+ other figures (could be more depending on Targeted submissions). After those the catalogue will be around 200 figures total with 15 different teams available (Elfball has 19 teams total so we'll have 4 left to get finished which we will do after we break even).

So I appreciate the well wishes ... in 3 weeks ... we are officially kicking the training wheels off of Impact! and I hope it rolls down the hill.

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Oh BBFigs.com is totally independent (ie it has its own books from Impact!) so as soon as BBFigs.com sales are high enough we buy the next race for the store. So our plans for Impact! are very different from BBFigs.com which was we put 2500 GBP of the 3 partners money into it to get it started and left it to live or die from there based on sales.

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Galak

Magictobe · Post by **Magictobe** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 10:33 am

About the auctions that are going bananas.

I think I see three ways that they can go that way because otherwise I cannot explain that a single figure that is not that rare can go so high. In comparison to pro painted teams (and then I mean, the really pro painted and not the dipped and other teams) that not get the price that they disserve.

1)
A bidder wants absolutly a figurine. It is the last of the collection but not that rare. He places a verry high bid. No one will go high for this and I am sure that I will win the bid. The one that offers the auction sees this and places other bids through a new invented account or through a person he knows. In that case you can go ridicolously high.

2)
The one that offers the auction and a interested person come to an agreement before ending the auction. They agree on a price. The sellers tells the other person to place a verry high price so the seller does not come in problems with having to say the winner of the auction that someone else has it before the end of the auction. In that case you can go really high when you have an other interested person or another person that sees the problem and places bids just to "punish" the offerer of the auction through extra ebay fees.

3) You really have two nut persons who really want the fig. (but the account with a certain auction that was so new - less then a month - puts me off)

I may be seeing ghosts. I do not know. But I think the first explanation seems the most likely.

BTW this is not a personal attack on anyone. May someone who offered an auction and had two persons bidding like hell for his item, please not be offended by my statement. I was thinking loudly and was certainly not targeting any one.

Brage97 · Post by **Brage97** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:07 pm

I myself thought this was pretty sick. And I have taken some heavy hits to my wallet in my time on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... :IT&ih=010

Special edition halfling for £77 (clearer pictures)
http://artistsunited.myfreeforum.org/ar ... _1336.html

fire olli · Post by **fire olli** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:12 pm

So if i sell Thrud and my Undead halfling i will make about £120.

where are those photo's i took last week

Jelmer · Post by **Jelmer** » Sun Jul 27, 2008 7:55 pm

Brage97 wrote:I myself thought this was pretty sick. And I have taken some heavy hits to my wallet in my time on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... :IT&ih=010

Special edition halfling for £77 (clearer pictures)
http://artistsunited.myfreeforum.org/ar ... _1336.html

As the seller of this item i must admit this is a very high price, but i'm not complaining... it seems like two guys really wanted the same figure...

Storch · Post by **Storch** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 1:29 am

@Magictobe,
One problem, both scenarios #1 and 2 that you present are a clear violation of the rules on eBay. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if someone wants to continue on as a seller they would probably avoid doing stuff like that as it would cost them their access to the site.

Might I suggest a fourth scenario: multiple people with more money than sense. I cannot count he number of times I have seen two people get into a bidding war and the "winner" ends up paying more than retail for something they could have gotten from an online retailer for like 20% off.

Magictobe · Post by **Magictobe** » Tue Jul 29, 2008 2:21 am

Storch wrote:@Magictobe,
One problem, both scenarios #1 and 2 that you present are a clear violation of the rules on eBay. I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but if someone wants to continue on as a seller they would probably avoid doing stuff like that as it would cost them their access to the site.

Might I suggest a fourth scenario: multiple people with more money than sense. I cannot count he number of times I have seen two people get into a bidding war and the "winner" ends up paying more than retail for something they could have gotten from an online retailer for like 20% off.

I know it is a violation but when you see an account that has no feedback yet and is active for less then a month bidding on an item - I find it verry suspicious. What can ebay do to prevent this? I do not know.

It is indeed verry strange that lately you get verry high prices for individual figs and no respect (price wise) for painters that put a lot of effort in painting teams.

One australian guy sold two days ago a verry nice painted wood elf team for 75 euro's. The cost of the figs on their own was close to 40 euros. Insane!!
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 0247247724

Or is it just a verry good time to clean up your closet and put it all on ebay. It seems more and more the case. Maybe I will do the same

And up the price with a ghost bidder

(For people who do not know me, I am joking here

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