"I'm not dead yet!"

BullBear · Post by **BullBear** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 8:25 pm

Alright fellas, I heard a rumor that GW is going to phase out the undead boxed team. I know they're splitting them up into 3 different (worse) teams, but I figured the box set would remain intact. Can anyone clear this up?

Also, are Chaos Dwarves next?? In Mag#3 they can't be allies with any teams. Why? Don't say fluff, 'cause didn't they create the black orcs? Plus, they're no worse than DEs (cruel, slavers), yet they can ally. Not that I want an ally, but am curious if the CDs are next to get the boot to align BB with WHF.

Finally, on a side, as you can tell I think the 3 new undeads teams are garbage. The khemri 'magic helmets' aren't on the minis GW is selling to the new kids, the NECROMANTIC team can't hardly regenerate anyone, and the Vampire squad looks NOTHING like the Vmapire counts from WHF (which is why I assumed they where doing this). Originally, I was for making the teams (VC fan), but not with these line-ups. Over and out!

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:54 pm

I agree. The old Undead roster was great. I don't really have a prob with the Khemri but the Necros are crap. The vamps seem ok...well the COFAB version anyway. (Dammit when they kill a thrall they should become a zombie!!!!)

The old undead roster is a classic and I hate to see it go just so the boneheads at GW and Fanatic can sell some minis.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 9:57 pm

I don't know anyone who wants to get rid of them. Ive allready played 2 NAF events with undead, then there will be the dutch open in feb that i think i will take them to as well.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:08 pm

I don't know if GW can be convinced to still have the Undead roster.

Jervis and Andy are definitely moving to split the Undead into the 3 rosters.

Pariah ... your comments include the MBBL changed version of the Necro? Cause I agree with you about the BB Mag #3 version but I actually like the MBBL version.

Galak

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:40 pm

Galak, the MBBL version is so-so but it's no replacement for the original.

This, in essense, is my problem with Fanatic, GW and the BBRC. There is no Fanatic, nor a BBRC. They are puppets or phantoms. The BBRC can vote on rules til the cows come home but in the end it's JJ and Andy's call. Fanatic doesn't seem to give a rat's ass what we want and bases their new teams and rules on the minis that GW thinks Citadel should sell.

Why get rid of a roster that everyone likes? It's really stupid. Wnat to sell minis? Why not make new minis for the old teams? Corporate suits are too stupid to see it.

It's all corporate crap.

dakkakhan · Post by **dakkakhan** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:54 pm

Gotta agree with Pariah. Fill out the rosters.

Orcs can have 2 more blitzers, 2 more black orcs and another thrower. Make 'em.

Undead can have two new blitzers...more ghouls etc.
Make 'em.

I am all for new teams, but don't get rid of any. GW has established a good core. Grow the game, and grow the line of minis, don't get rid of some and bring in new ones...that's just short-sighted.

Actually I suppose this is off-topic, sorry.

BullBear · Post by **BullBear** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 10:57 pm

That's a VERY good point, Pariah. No coaches have desired to have the undead team split-up, yet it's being done. Why?

Wanna sell more minis? Make new minis for exising teams. I'd even like to see SLIGHT variations on the chaos teams. You can add and change those around without destroying the original line-up.

Leave the original undead squad as the Necromantic, then create Khemri, and vamps. Destroying teams people enjoy, is not 'player-friendly'.

(and give the Krox MB already!)

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:35 pm

Pariah,

I'm not really arguing with your point to be honest. And the BBRC was never there to decide new teams. At the end of the day, BB is GW's baby. If Jervis wants to split the Undead into 3 pieces officially you have 4 options.

1) Accept it.
2) House Rule it different
3) Appeal to JJ and get him to change his mind.
4) Quit BB

I still play Slann and Werewolf teams from 2nd edition in my league so my option has been #2 to date. All I try to do is see the writing on the wall. If JJ says the Undead will be split 3 ways period, then I'm just making sure I have a say in that split at the end of the day. Doesn't mean I'll remove the Undead roster from my league, but I'll at least not puke everytime I see a 8337 Were on the pitch at a tournament if I can get it changed.

Galak

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 11:41 pm

Yes, hopefully fanatic is going to be true to its word and listen to the people playtesting the experimantal teams and actually act on the feedback they get. Liked the old undead, but if it has to be split into 3, I certainly hope it's going to wind up being the ones being tested in MBBL. And yes, I have played the Necro team as in BBmag3 and the werewolf does suck! (They can call him something else if they really want to 'cuz he's no werewolf)

grimfang · Post by **grimfang** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:29 am

Why split the rosters?? That should be a coache's decision... specific player selection within the Undead category. Lets face it... the copses do not really care who they play for... THEY'RE DEAD ALREADY!! Just keep all the undead in one list, let the coaches buy them as they see fit.
As far as GW having a problem with figure production... maybe they could increase the sales of thier figures if we were not all expected to buy a new version of every game after 3 years... but i will not get started on THAT subject again.. for now.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 2:28 am

I'm just trying to figure out why there needs to be three "Undead" teams besides that they found a crateful of molds for the old Star Players in a closet somewhere...

Oh, and that they seem to be attempting to mirror the Warhammer Fantasy world...which makes me cry.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 4:23 am

Well I know that house ruling is the way to go now. I just wish I knew that before my league went crap.

I more worried about the minis. They are forcing us to accept that the undead are well...dead. Now, if you want to run the undead you have to go back to the old days of searching eBay and New Wave for the proper minis. This on a game that is supposed to be "resurrected"?
I'm not gonna puke or anything like that, I'm just saying that what GW and Fanatic is doing is not "support." It's called milking.

How is the BBRC not responsible for teams? How are teams not an issue to the rules? They had imput on the allied teams didn't they? What about the Big Guys and negative traits? Sounds like another pass-the-buck line to me. They aren't involved in anything that Fanatic is going to force through. The BBRC is a facade. I'm sorry, I know you feel otherwise but they have no control over the balance of the game when the suits can force things down their throats.
The BBRC voted on Big Guys and will vote (supposedly) on Pact teams, Vampires, Khemri, and Necros. Will they vote on the removal of the Undead? If they had a vote what would it be? Hmmn? I bet I know.

McSnaga · Post by **McSnaga** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 8:27 am

Playing Devils Advocate here:

There are 'x' number of living teams currently and only 1 undead. Equal rights for the undead I say.

"Death isn't the handicap it used to be in the old days."
(Red Dwarf: The End)

I think though that I shall reserve judgement until I have seen and played all the new teams.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:43 am

One thing that is kind of funny if you play Undead now:

You can change your team to necromantic, but you can keep the mummies!!! (And still buy Flesh Golems as well!)

Wouldn't like to meet that team; 2 mummies 2 golems...

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:07 am

I have no idea where you got that from. The rules say to use mummy miniatures as flesh golems but it does not allow you to use both mummies and flesh golems on your team.