Announcing the NAF World Cup 19, 20, and 21 of October, 2007

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lucifer wrote:Hi OMM

Couple of points that I'd like to make:)
Hello Lucifer - fire away!
lucifer wrote:(1) DO NOT (and I can't stress this enough) DO NOT allow GW any say in ticket allocation. If that happens then I guarantee that the UK contingent will be disproportionately high. GW are the worst kind of partisan organisation I know.
Let me start by stressing: this is OUR event - the NAF community's event. We are working in partnership with GW but we are paying for the facilities and resources we are using. With that in mind, we will contol ticket sales and access - we simply will require them to tell us how many are allowed. GW's generous donation of the main hall, renovated now I'm told to accomodate 300, and their willingness to accept our terms were factors in deciding to hold the first World Cup there.
lucifer wrote:(2) I appreciate there is a kudos in holding the World Cup at GW's Headquarters, but to be frank it's a lot of hassle to reach for the rest of Europe. Amsterdam (or another central european captial with an excellent international airport), or London would have been better. The event will, ultimately, be judged a success or failure based on the coaches who attend and their experiences, not on whether the place was pretty or not. By all means the venue adds to the experience, but it does not define it. It's not like Warhammer where they need the special sculpted boards.
I can surely appreciate the issue of getting to Nottingham (at least the exchange in your instance isn't so terrible... :lol: ) and I'm sure we will solicit coaches following the event to get a sense of where might be a geographic center to those that are coming.
lucifer wrote:(3) Consider the option of additional, on site, playing space for coaches (e.g. external marquee, portakabin, etc) to increase the number of players allowed). There will be a LOT of players who want to come, especially if this replaces the Eurobowl next year. This Eurobowl had 96 coaches and that was with a limit of only 8 per country. The GW hall has fire restriction limits.
I would dearly love to confront the issue in a couple of months where we've sold the ticket allotment, have 200 more coaches on a waiting list, and tell GW "solve this, or we find a banquet hall."
lucifer wrote:(4) Keep ticket prices reasonable. Not everyone can afford international flight plus travel from London/Manchester areas (where most cheap flights go to) to Nottingham.
What we have asked GW to cover are the food services at specific times and the staff to keep Bugman's and the retail shop open during our event. I have not ferociously guarded the NAF's money to now fritter it away to GW, or anyone else, for that matter.
lucifer wrote:(5) Travel arrangements. Nottingham is, again, a bloomin' awful place to get to if you're travelling from abroad. The UK public transport system is slow and expensive, which is why most of us own cars. Provide foreign travellers with details of how to book trains (the trainline), cheap cars, national express coaches, etc.
The hotels we are negotiating with are within a short walk (by my standards of being nearly fifty, not Valen's! :D ... sorry, private joke there...) We will ask the NAF membership whether stay in hostel style accomodations is a viable option, and with the ability to negotiate for at least 200+ coaches, I am confident we will be able to bring the prices down significantly. The thing to stress here is that if we bargain as a group, we behave as a group - coaches will need to do their best to stay at the event hotel so we can fulfill our obligation as well.
lucifer wrote:(6) The time allowed for games should be 2.25 hours minimum. A game can be played in 2, but it's a push. This is a once in 4 years event, so please don't spoil it by making people rush through games.
Two hours and fifteen minutes is precisely the working number at this point... as always, the staff will weigh playing time with the ability to enter and coordinate this number of matches. The NAF staff as a group has participated in hundreds of tournaments and has organized more than 150, as well as reading the thousands of posts and comments of the membership. I have absolutely no worries about the administration of the tournament - it is our collective strength as a community and one place where we can show ourselves superior to GW's efforts.
lucifer wrote:(7) Use the community to provide the scoring system, not GW. Either Yavatol's "Score" system or the Eurobowl program (that has players enter results, not organisers). EVERY time GW do it their way they take 30 mins to enter between rounds and have numerous problems - regardless of whether it's BB, Warhammer or 40K. Next round for Score/Eurobowl is max 10 seconds after the previous round finishes.
We have not chosen which system to use - from everyone I personally have talked to, Yavatol's system is excellent. I know the NAF community in Spain have also developed an elegant XML based system, so I believe the community is ready to serve. I am a believer in backups and redundancy in critical cases so don't be surprised if we run more than one to insure there are no issues.
lucifer wrote:(8) DO NOT (and I can't stress this enough) DO NOT allow GW any say in ticket allocation. (just thought I'd make this clear ;-) )
"Are we clear?"
Crystal...... :)

Thanks Lucifer - keep the comments and interest coming!

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Panico wrote:Everything could be easier if we don't run 2 different discussions, one here and one on NAF forum... it's difficult to read all the proposals.

So, in the end: to who all proposals, idea, concerns etc... should be addressed to?
I agree, Panico my friend - I'm doing this high wire act on two fronts! Pretty soon, I will replying to comments only on the NAF site and continuing to post information here at TBB.

For now, send any emails or PMs to me, or post on the NAF site.
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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:
Panico wrote:Everything could be easier if we don't run 2 different discussions, one here and one on NAF forum... it's difficult to read all the proposals.

So, in the end: to who all proposals, idea, concerns etc... should be addressed to?
I agree, Panico my friend - I'm doing this high wire act on two fronts! Pretty soon, I will replying to comments only on the NAF site and continuing to post information here at TBB.

For now, send any emails or PMs to me, or post on the NAF site.
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And make sure Bugmans bar is well stocked - They ran out of decent beer by 9/10pm sat night at the BBGT and from the sounds of it, more coaches will be coming to this than the GT :lol:

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Old_Man_Monkey wrote:For now, send any emails or PMs to me, or post on the NAF site.
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Sorry, wasn't aware of the NAF thread

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Joemanji wrote:
Ryan wrote:Oh one question how do I get on team England or GB?
You don't Ryan. It is a closed clique. :wink: Even though supposedly the World Cup has nothing to do with the EuroBowl. :roll:
who would you have play for england just out of interest?

11 players in 3 years means to me it is changing (if a little slowly), it would be interesting if i had time to do a bit of research to see who many players have played foreach country.

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Hangus wrote:11 players in 3 years means to me it is changing (if a little slowly), it would be interesting if i had time to do a bit of research to see who many players have played foreach country.
I think that the spanish squad is even more firm than that. :-)

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Hangus wrote:who would you have play for england just out of interest?

11 players in 3 years means to me it is changing (if a little slowly), it would be interesting if i had time to do a bit of research to see who many players have played foreach country.
Whoever wanted to. Not me personally btw, I doubt that I'd be going. :wink: There are ways in which the tourney could be more open and inclusive, but the powers that be are silent when they are discussed (through this thread and others). Exclusive teams is not the way to make the WC a success IMO.

With a four day event you could have a qualifying day to see who made up the team. Or you could devise a system that let everyone play using average scores. By that I mean that Team England could have 50 players and Team USA could have 6. Ignore games between coaches of the same nation and take average points. I'm not suggesting these as "the answer" btw, just that these are the kind of ideas that have been suggested and ignored. Maybe they don't want to imagine any system other than the old boys club we currently have. I don't blame them ... serving your own interests is natural. But that is counter productive to what I imagine is the NAF's primary aim : keeping BB strong and healthy.

On this subject, what is the point in advertising the NAF world cup in White Dwarf? The people we want to attract to such an event (those who could become BB stalwarts or drift away) will try to find out more. What will discover? That they can take part as spectators only, as second class citizens. Or perhaps worse than that, and they won't find out until they turn up, maybe after travelling from abroad. "Oh sorry, didn't you know? You only get to take part in the real tourney if you're part of the gang. Go and play some games in the corner with the fat kids". :D

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I realize that Joemanji can come off as a bit abrasive to some.

However ... I would like to agree that I'd really like to see some system where anyone who can make it can make it and based on where they are from they get allocated to that larger group and then somehow having the individual play count towards creating the team.

I know the teams work great for the Eurobowl ... but I do also question how well they work for the concept of a 200 player World Cup.

I know I've seen suggestions where the first two days have an individual player tournament. At the end of the 2 day tournament (you'll have prizes for that event) ... then the best 8 players from each country are pooled into teams and on the 3rd day they have the play off with 4 or 5 games that day. The rest of us losers (which will probably include me if I don't learn how to play one of those non-joke teams) can play in some special one days events. Maybe a game of Dungeonbowl here, Street Brawl there, etc.

This isn't a new suggestion ... I'm just stealing the best one I saw on the NAF forums ... but I did think this made a lot of sense ... especially for encouraging maximum attendance.

I won't post on this again ... as I have a tendency to be rather forceful in my opinions ... but I at least wanted to get this out there that these were my thoughts.

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4/5 games a day is too much ..

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Maybe individual 4 games in day one and 2 games in day 2 and then play 1 game of team event on day 2 and 4 games in day 3, it's only a a suggestion. . .

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frikipe wrote:Maybe individual 4 games in day one and 2 games in day 2 and then play 1 game of team event on day 2 and 4 games in day 3, it's only a a suggestion. . .
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Dave wrote:4/5 games a day is too much ..
4 is definately too much, I have problems focussing during the third game of the day. Besides it cuts down on drinking time...

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TuernRedvenom wrote:Besides it cuts down on drinking time...
And I am definately against that

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Why? Don't you usually drink even during matches ? :lol:

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