Big Guys/ Star Players???

[SuM]

Is it a mistake that the Amazons team has no Allies, Big Guys or Star Players???

I did use "Lucky Luke" last season, but my Unicorn is named "Lucky Ludwig", for the Un-Knowing Lucky Luke is a star Player, he is a Non-Catching Blitzer. Is he not available this year???????? He is a great star Player, when a teams catcher thinks he is going to make it into the End Zone, out of no where Lucky shows up, and smacks down the Catcher!!!
I'm making due with out them, but it sounds like I'm whining... ,but every team in our league is fielding an allies, biggins or star players...

What you all think???????????

[Al the Rat]

I can't comment specifically on Amazons, but I do think that the disparity between the number of SPs available to certain teams compared to others needs to be resolved. Either by not allowing SPs to be used in leagues, or by GW creating and officially sanctioning more SPs so that those teams with 1 or none are more on a par with the humans, orcs, and goblins with their legions of stars.

[Grumbledook]

Well to be honest star players hardly gets used as far as I am aware, there aren't any ally rules (thankfully), maybe they should have access to a big guy but do they really need it?

[SuM]

Well after a team roster is full, what else can a Kick-Arse Team buy???
I'm not saying a team should be buying SPs, early in it's career, or Allies or Big Guys...But it would be nice to have the option.

Example:
A good friend of mine, plays a Dwarven Team with an Ogre, as their Big Guy. I spend most of the game standing My Girlies back up. Buying a Star Player to use up against it, would be nice.

I see your point tho, Amazons are actually balanced even tho their AV and Str are low...

[GalakStarscraper]

Funny under the LRB rules ... I seem to spend all my cash replacing players ... haven't yet had to worry about the what do I do with all my money problem yet.

Galak

[Skummy]

Most importantly, they are the only team in BBL that has all of its players one skill away from block/dodge. They can even easlily start with four players who begin with block/dodge. Once they get some experience under their belts, the girls can be a holy terror.

The Amazons are balanced against every team except for possibly the Dwarf/Chaos Dwarf teams, whose natural tackle ability makes the low armor really hurt.

[Xynok]

I concur with Galak; I spend all my money replacing Players or saving towards Team Rerolls.

Anyway, the disparity in available SPs for any given Race is exactly why we don't allow them in our League. Even if they do remedy this situation, I don't expect to see many people using them much unless they ALSO reduce their cost. Even THEN I'm not sure people would use them except for Playoff or Finals matches. Gaining SPPs for your "regular Joe's" is simply far more important than "winning at any cost" for regularly scheduled League games (unless it puts you in the Playoffs, et al).

If they insist on keeping SPs, I think they should balance them from a Tournament perspective, and not concern themselves so much with regular League type play. Still, balancing in this way would lend itself to League Playoff/Final games, as well as regularly scheduled matches.

I honestly don't think they are needed at all, and cause more problems than they are worth for the game. For "One-Off" games or even Tournaments, I can BARELY justify their existence. Still, even then, the current SP list needs to be significantly balanced to be of any use at all. The simple fact that the majority of Leagues I know of (local, via Internet, etc) do not use SPs is evidence enough for why they should simply do away with the entire concept. People like to make their own.

[Skummy]

I have to disagree here, although we are drifting off of the thread a little bit. As a player who does not go to tourneys and plays in a longstanding league, Star Players do serve a purpose and come out almost exclusively for the playoffs. The Star Players you can get are an important consideration when you pick your team, and with a few exceptions they can serve as a balancing force to the game.

For instance, I have an Orc team that wants to make a name for itself and has been hoarding every penny it made over the last tournament. It now has enough to freeboot both Morg and Ripper Bolgrot the next time they play. The plan on challenging the biggest, nastiest team out there and giving them a run for their money.

[Xynok]

"Star Players do serve a purpose and come out almost exclusively for the playoffs."

What exactly are you disagreeing with? This is exactly what I said.

"The Star Players you can get are an important consideration when you pick your team, and with a few exceptions they can serve as a balancing force to the game."

Exactly. The problem is the current SP list is very unbalanced. Humans not only get MORE SPs than any race, they get THE BEST SPs to boot. Granted, it would be very difficult to get ALL of them for any single game, but it IS possible. The list is simply skewed too badly by Race.

Ultimately, different tastes for different folks, but every League I play in has outlawed the use of SPs because they aren't balanced and they are too much trouble then they're worth. I just feel when the majority of Leagues I know about don't allow them, there is probably something wrong. Like most things with Blood Bowl, it doesn't hurt anything for them to be there, because you can House Rule anything you don't like.

[Skummy]

The main point of dissention I had was that the SP list should be changed to balance out tournaments. I personally prefer leagues over tournaments, and I don't want to see the list get changed too much.

Actually, I believe that Orcs get the most number of star players, but the human's list is more impressive. I understand that a majority of leagues don't time turns either, but I think that would take away from the strategy of the game I enjoy.

Different tastes for different folks, I guess.

[DoubleSkulls]

I understand that a majority of leagues don't time turns either, but I think that would take away from the strategy of the game I enjoy.

Why do you think timing turns increases the strategy of the game. Surely the more time you have to plan your turn the higher the strategy element

[Skummy]

Now I know we are way off topic The short answer is that you can try to play some pressure tactics that you wouldn't normally attempt. For example, playing with cages is much harder in a 4 minute environment, because a player can put serious pressure on the cage and you may not have enough time to figure out how to break their defense. It makes for a more wide open game, and takes away some of the advantages of bash teams. Once players get used to 4 minute turns, it really doesn't have a big effect, and players do adapt fairly quickly.

[Nermal]

hoing back to another off the point topic,

i think that money is something that every team has less of under the 1.3 rules than 3rd ed, i know that most of the teams we play used to choose random events in order to push up the cash. within the first season most teams had their roster sorted out. (by that i mean had their players sorted) whereas now we are one season over and all the teams are wanting to buy more players evan though we have had less deaths.

[SuM]

All I really wanted to know...is any Amazon teams out there still using "Lucky Luke"?????

Are any of you using Allies???

[gijimmy]

a unicaorn woulnd't help your silly skanks they'd all still die anyhow when grrrrrrrr eats them