Using the "correct" minis

Joshua Dyal · Post by **Joshua Dyal** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 1:51 pm

I would have a hard time playing with the wrong figs for myself. As long as I can tell what my opponent's guys are, I'm not too anal on what he's put on the board. But for myself, having the right figs, with a decent paint job, is half the fun of the hobby.

vorner23 · Post by **vorner23** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 7:47 pm

This thread is funny....

My view is that there's nothing wrong with trying out different teams and not having the minis for them. Use slices of salami to represnt them if you want. (Then you can eat them when they die!)

However, for a tournament it is essential to have the correct minis. They don't have to be painted (although personally I would be embarrassed to turn up without them being) but they must be right ones. How can you play someone and explain all the different types of mini being something else. Then, as will inevitably happen, he tries to block a player which turns out to have skills he didn't think it had. Simply because it wasn't obvious that the player was what you said it was.

The outcome is that you've gained an advantage by deception. Had your opponent known that was a "storm vermin" and not a "gutter runner" (for example) he wouldn't have thrown the block.... which resulted in a turn over etc etc.

Lastly, if you play on a regular basis then what is your excuse for not being able to paint a max of 16 minatures? (Probably more like 12 for starting teams.) You can buy these minis for next to nothing £20 for an entire team? (Might not even be that expensive.)

Admit it those of you that don't paint them all are just damn lazy! Yes ok so you might play for the tactics of the game... fair enough, but still it looks so much better if the minis are painted. It's up to you at the end of the dayI'm not being self-rightous, I'm just stating what no-one else seems to have said.

Any other GW product I would agree, it takes forever to paint and collect a 40K or WHFB army. It is expensive and time consuming.... but BB come guys. (I'm a slow slow painter and it took me 6/8 hours to paint 4 minatures.) Now the maths on that is still less than a week to paint an entire squad.... but hey if you want people laughing at your naked lead thats up to you!

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 8:40 pm

vorner23 wrote:Admit it those of you that don't paint them all are just damn lazy!

No, some of use just cannot get our heads round painting. I prefer the "gang" type games (Mordheim, BB, Necromunda) for the sense of continunity/growth, but even with the smal number of mini's involved in the games I still cannot sit down to paint. I really, really do not enjoy it, it's a chore to me and I play for fun. OK, my mates take the p*ss a bit, but they'd rather I played with lead (or undercoated, I've got some of those) and enjoy myself, than be forced to paint and decide to leave the hobby.

So, No, we'are not all lazy.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:19 pm

The other coaches in my league (we've got about a dozen at the moment) certainly won't laugh at me for not having a completely painted team. I'm the only one to even have any figs at all! (Well, that's not true anymore, as someone just entered the league with an old painted undead team he had.)

Blood Bowl isn't about miniatures and painting. It's about strategy and team management. I hate painting. If i needed to paint every miniature i use, let alone modify them to represent mutations, then i'd probably just stop playing. And instead of having a league of 13 coaches, we'd have a league of one (that undead coach). How great would that be?

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:48 pm

Zombie wrote: Blood Bowl isn't about miniatures and painting.

They're a huge part of it to most of us. The BB community wouldn't be what it is without them.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:49 pm

A first, a post from zombie I'm a 100% in agreement with.

Yep, if i was forced to paint I'd have left wargaming by now, and probably gone back to being a role-player

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Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 9:58 pm

Maybe Deathwing, but you can't force it on those who don't like it. Or else you'll alienate a huge percentage of potential new coaches, then turn around and ask yourself why the game isn't more popular. Around here, we're certainly not about to keep people from playing just because they don't have the proper figs or don't like painting.

horekim · Post by **horekim** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:04 pm

I won't force people to use the proper miniatures, but still I kind of hate to see a gutter runner represented by a plastic cretchin with an autogun leap over my LOS and run down into my end zone to score.... Especially when he get's the ball handed to him by a plastic spacemarine with one arm and a chainsword.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Mon Oct 14, 2002 11:39 pm

Zombie wrote:Maybe Deathwing, but you can't force it on those who don't like it. Or else you'll alienate a huge percentage of potential new coaches, then turn around and ask yourself why the game isn't more popular. Around here, we're certainly not about to keep people from playing just because they don't have the proper figs or don't like painting.

Fair enough, all depends on individual leagues I guess. Newbies are a different case entirely, but it'd an exceptionally nice (and destitute!) guy who I'd play for any length of time if he persisted in using bottlecaps!
Not being into painting is one thing, not fielding an easily recognisable team out of sheer laziness is another, it's basic courtesy to your opponent if nothing else.
Playing in Holland recently my opponent was using Necromunda Goliaths as Blitzers (weapons snipped) and standard plastic humans, with..shall will say..*enthusiastically* applied paint. No problem with that kind of thing at all..he'd made an effort, slapped a bit of paint on over a coupla hours and I knew exactly which player was which (not that it did me any good!). There's a difference between that and turning up with a team made of space marines because he couldn't be arsed.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:14 am

What's the fuss with recognizable figs? The box comes with 2 plastic teams in it. If you've got the box (and you need it to play the game), then you've got enough miniatures right there to represent any team. It won't be the proper race, but a blitzer is a blitzer, a thrower is a thrower, etc. We've never had a problem recognizing which miniature stands for what.

vorner23 · Post by **vorner23** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:39 am

Well the plain fact is that turn up to a tournament with all the wrong minatures and try and register and they'll either.

A) show you the door.
B) Lend you a properly painted team. (If they are uber friendly.)

Personally, I can understand if you're just not into the painting side of things. Thats fine. For example I watch female mud wrestling, for the enjoyment of the fine art of wrestling. The besting of an opponent through guile and physical force. Other people watch female mud wrestling to get some perverted kicks from two women covered in mud...... ok.... right.

So everyone enjoys things for different reasons BUT, you can't say there isn't a problem always using the wrong models. Thats just silly. The fact you can't play in any proper tournaments without them proves this point.

Yes yes, your club may accept it. But it is just confusing and gives an unfair advantage to those who can't be (motivated, interested, inclined - whichever word you like) to paint.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 12:53 am

A better comparison would be watching a world championship chess match because you like Kasparov's hot body.

Blood Bowl is chess with dice.

And no, it's not confusing. I just told you that we used blitzers, catchers, throwers etc, just not the proper race. And if you don't even know which race you're playing against when the game starts, maybe you should be playing with little painted toys instead to better fit your intellect.

vorner23 · Post by **vorner23** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 2:56 am

Blimey you've got no sense of humour then....

However, I will not resort to insults when I've run out of inteligent things to say, like it seems you have decided to do.

If you can't deal with people disagreeing in an adult manner, all I can do is suggest you keep your opinions to yourself. You'll stop getting yourself into a frustrated mess that way.

Hmmm how,

for you.

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Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 3:53 am

vorner23 wrote:Blimey you've got no sense of humour then....

However, I will not resort to insults when I've run out of inteligent things to say, like it seems you have decided to do.

Now who's got no sense of humor? I thought that was a great pun i made. I was gonna say at first that if someone doesn't know the team he's playing against when the game starts, he's so dumb he should be playing with toy cars instead. But then i thought of the pun ("painted toys") and i thought that was heaps better. By the way, the "you" was a general "you", not you personally.

Now, who's got no sense of humor and takes things too personally?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Oct 15, 2002 10:20 am

Thats not a pun, well not as far as my english teachings have lead me to believe, seems more of a twisted sense of irony if anything.

Also zombie your posts do come across a tad condesending at times, sublty jokes and the like doesn't tend to come over very well in text, even less so when its not real time chat, so why not try and make use of the smilies, its what they are there for and makes things a lot clearer.