Pass Block, Diving Tackle and Mighty Blow questions.

[Xin]

Heya,

Consider the following:

Two players with pass block are going to try to put some pressure on the reciever, however they both need to make a dodge roll to get away from various tackle zones. Now, what if the first player fails his dodge roll and falls over, is the second player still allowed to give it a try or is it considered a "turnover" in the sense that no more Pass block actions can be performed?

Also... do the effects of Prehensile Tail and Diving Tackle stack if used?

Lastly, if a player has Mighty Blow and Claws can he allocate the +1 mighty blow bonus to the injury roll (and have claws to break armor) or can these two skills not be used at all together?

Thanks.

[DoubleSkulls]

Two players with pass block are going to try to put some pressure on the reciever, however they both need to make a dodge roll to get away from various tackle zones. Now, what if the first player fails his dodge roll and falls over, is the second player still allowed to give it a try or is it considered a "turnover" in the sense that no more Pass block actions can be performed?

You can't TO in your opponets turn so all your PB's can move, regardless of failed dodges etc

Also... do the effects of Prehensile Tail and Diving Tackle stack if used?

Yes

Lastly, if a player has Mighty Blow and Claws can he allocate the +1 mighty blow bonus to the injury roll (and have claws to break armor) or can these two skills not be used at all together?
Thanks.

You can't combine Claw and MB on the armour roll, but you can use claw for the Av and MB for the injury.

Ian

[Furelli]

That'll teach me for reading these posts from Official Teams upwards, I answered the other query but I seem to disagree with Ian on the prehensile tail and diving tackle question.



Furelli.

[DoubleSkulls]

I answered the other query but I seem to disagree with Ian on the prehensile tail and diving tackle question.
Furelli.

IIRC the rules only state that you can't stack Av/Inj modifiers. I thought this "no stacking" didn't effect other rolls - so DT & PT can stack.

Ian

[Xin]

Well, seems I got all my questions answered, thanks!

Though one thing, Furelli, in the other thread you mentioned the following thing:

"Prehensile Tail and Diving Tackle do not stack. Its automatically a -1 from the Prehensile Tail, if this is not enough then after the dice roll you may choose to use the Diving Tackle instead to impose -2. "

Are you saying that you may choose to use Diving Tackle after the dodge roll has been made? I was under the impression that you had to use Diving Tackle before the dodge roll was made.

[voyagers_uk]

At present DT is declared after the dodge roll is made, just like Piling On.

There are a few threads of debate on this elsewhere as it is a bone of contention to some. I prefer it this way though.

[Xin]

At present DT is declared after the dodge roll is made, just like Piling On.

There are a few threads of debate on this elsewhere as it is a bone of contention to some. I prefer it this way though.

Oh, this is news to me. So if DT is enough for the player to fail his dodge roll is he then entitled to reroll it (if he has the dodge skill, reroll..etc)?

[voyagers_uk]

Sure, unless the person with DT also has Tackle. TRR's would be required then.

[DoubleSkulls]

LRB pp 34

"1. You can’t add bonuses from two or more skills/traits to modify an Armour or Injury roll."

There is no mention of dodge rolls (or anything else for that matter) so Prehensile Tail and Diving Tackle can be stacked to give -3.

Ian

[High & Mighty]

Sure, unless the person with DT also has Tackle. TRR's would be required then.

But until you use DT, presumably the opponent didn't need to use their dodge skill. But after you've used DT, you're prone and can't use any more skills.

Is this too nitpicky? Are you allowed to use any combination of skills with the going prone skills like piling on and diving tackle, as long as it is all related to the same sequence of events?

[DoubleSkulls]

Is this too nitpicky? Are you allowed to use any combination of skills with the going prone skills like piling on and diving tackle, as long as it is all related to the same sequence of events?

Very nitpicky. I'd consider this rules lawyering of the worst kind.

IMO the intention of the rules are quite clear and you can use other skills even when DTing. It can be argued you apply tackle and DT simultaneously so you are not prone until after using tackle/PT

Ian

[Acerak]

I think it's a bit hazier than I'd like it. How's that?

-Chet