Pro (BBRC Hotlist?)

[Old Man Draco]

However, if agreed that the wording could be better then why don't have a go at it immediatly. Wait for a year and this question will pop up again!

[Toby]

Don't forget this is the place where the verry (Blood Bowl) educated players are.

A normal player browsing the rules quickly will have problems with a text like this. Especially if you have to translate it word by word.

[Mirascael]

... Once per team turn, a Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made. ...

The problem:

According to the Text only one Player may use Pro per Team Turn. Im sure however the intention of the text is "once per player turn".

Galak?

It must refer to team turn: If not, a player with Pro could use more than once per turn: Tries ro on a Block-result, later, during another player's action (probably what Toby refers to as "player turn"), he otherwise could use on a different roll (catch, hand-off, whatever).

An alternative suggestion:

Each player with Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made once per team turn.

Though most German native speakers will think "any one dice roll" means "every dice roll".

[Toby]

I think "Team Turn" and "Player Turn" makes sense. (Think of Java Blood Bowl -> "end turn for Griff Oberwald?")

My suggestion:

Pro (General Skill)
A player with this skill may try to use a pro re-roll once during his turn. A pro re-roll is used in the same way a team re-roll is used. In order to use pro, the player must pass the "pro roll" first. Roll a D6.
On a roll of 3 or less pro fails, and the re-roll is wasted. On a roll of 4 or more pro works, and the re-roll may be made.

Note:
After a wasted pro re-roll the original result stands, and may not be re-rolled with a skill, team, leader or trophy re-roll.
However, you may use a team re-roll to re-roll the "pro roll".

[Mirascael]

I think "Team Turn" and "Player Turn" makes sense. (Think of Java Blood Bowl -> "end turn for Griff Oberwald?")

That would change (weaken) the skill:
Firstly, you couldn't use it on catching attempts in your turns.
Secondly, you couldn't use the skill in your opponent's turn.

I'd rather change the Java BB wording here into: "end action for Griff Oberwald?"

[Grumbledook]

um you can't use pro in your opponents turn anyway i didn't think

now its down to what you regard as a team turn

[noodle]

Whats wrong with "each player with pro may use his skill to reroll a dice (on a 4+) once during a team turn."

Note then it would also have to say "dice rolls made by the player" or some equivalent!

[Glorian Underhill]

Hmm is there an official answer:

Can Pro be used in an opponents turn to re-roll an interception for example ?
Quite important for me.

[Grumbledook]

you can only use pro during your own actions iirc

[Deathwing]

I disagree. Pro works fine on interceptions, shadowing etc. The point is that you can only use it once per team turn.

[Jared]

essentially it can be used once per player with the skill per team turn (his or the otherside) on a roll that player has made be it catch throw, bonehead, intercept shadowing etc etc etc etc etc

[Andreas of Loren]

Here is exactly what the LRB says word for word on the skill PRO:

'A player with this skill is a hardened veteran. Such players are called professionals or Pro's by other Blood Bowl players because they rarely if ever, make a mistake. Once per team turn, a pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made.'

It is not clear whether you can use within an opponents turn, i.e. when making an interception.

What is clear is that Dump-off and shadowing both mention the presence of an 'opposing player' taking an action.

[Alesdair]

*nods to all*

It seems the possible confusion comes from the word 'a', as someone had noticed.

Would it be perfictly clear with just one word change, and possibly the bonus of the capitalization of Pro.

Once per team turn, each Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made.

then it comes down to the confusion of using pro rerolls during the oponents team term.

how about,

Once per each team's turn, each Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made.

[Old Man Draco]

Once per each team's turn, each Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made.

It should say, once during any team turn: that would mean your opponents turns as well, or once during your team turn. I think there can be no mistake then any more.

[Alesdair]

Yeah your right Draco, using each twice gets a little clumzy...

Once per any team turn, each Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made.

so from the rules there is the addition of a word, and the changing of another, and that clears it all up i'm sure.