Chaos needs to be changed....

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Should Chaos be split up

HELLA NO
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51%
YES Spilt into 2 beastmen and chaos warrios
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25%
YES Spilt into 3 beastmen, Chaos Warrios, and Demons
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25%
 
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Raven_Talons wrote:I am surprised on how the poll is going. Maybe people are misunderstanding what i want. I don't want to make new teams with new powers. basically whole new teams, but do what they did with the undead. Just split them up cause they need spilting. Beastmen and chaos warriors don't seem to match
Well... When you see a topic named: "Chaos needs to be changed", and I've been thinking this for a long time, of course I'm going to add my opinion.

I want to make new teams, withing the chaos powers.
Khorne's Killers. What a bloodbowl team.
Nnurgle's Rotters is a classic. Fluffwise, it's just begging to be made rules for.

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there are rules for nurgles rotters in bbmag5

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Grumbledook wrote:there are rules for nurgles rotters in bbmag5
Oh, Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
I wanted to make rules for all powers in general, since, fluffwise, the chaos powers/gods have been mentioned.

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Yer i got that, was just making sure that you knew the nurgle ones have just been made experimental.

If you want any new rosters considered milo pointed out in another thread (about the ogres) about submitting teams to fanatic for consideration of the BBRC to make them experimental.

Though an important thing to note here is to discuss them in a thread on this forum (new concept maybe) Then with some discussion a more balenced idea will be made than if everyone just submits their own version. Things to remember is to make sure its a list that will get considered, so no stupid skill/stat combos. Also some playtest games agaisnt the normal rosters would help. Discussion of ideas gets more balenced perspective and more ideas as well, which will hopefully bring up the best roster.

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Raven_Talons wrote:I am surprised on how the poll is going. Maybe people are misunderstanding what i want. I don't want to make new teams with new powers. basically whole new teams, but do what they did with the undead. Just split them up cause they need spilting. Beastmen and chaos warriors don't seem to match
If you wanted to do something similar to what they did with the undead, then don't be surprised that people are voting for keeping the current Chaos team. It's a popular team that has played pretty nicely for a long time and people probably don't want to see it removed. This is much how they feel about removal of the familiar Undead team. I like the current Chaos team - it plays quite nicely with a nice flavour provided by the ability to gain Physical traits on doubles.

Why do you think that Chaos Warriors and Beastmen don't belong together? (I should perhaps point out that I know nothing about the Warhammer mythos - I mainly play Blood Bowl and think the rest of GW's games are much inferior to it.)

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martynq wrote:(I should perhaps point out that I know nothing about the Warhammer mythos - I mainly play Blood Bowl and think the rest of GW's games are much inferior to it.)

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Spoken like a true loyal BB fanatic ... I'm with you Martyn .. the only two other games of GW I ever played were Man o' War (very dead) and Necromunda (mostly dead). I'll stick with BB and I really could care very very little for what is happening in WFB.

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I will second that comment. BB is the best GW game, period!

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martynq wrote:
Raven_Talons wrote:I am surprised on how the poll is going. Maybe people are misunderstanding what i want. I don't want to make new teams with new powers. basically whole new teams, but do what they did with the undead. Just split them up cause they need spilting. Beastmen and chaos warriors don't seem to match
If you wanted to do something similar to what they did with the undead, then don't be surprised that people are voting for keeping the current Chaos team. It's a popular team that has played pretty nicely for a long time and people probably don't want to see it removed. This is much how they feel about removal of the familiar Undead team. I like the current Chaos team - it plays quite nicely with a nice flavour provided by the ability to gain Physical traits on doubles.

Cheers,
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As 3rd ed came to a close, and LRB ramped up, I was more than satisfied with the number of teams.... Indeed, 3 elf teams were a bit much IMHO.... It's fraggin' hard to balance 15 teams, let alone introduce more.... The interactions are staggering.... So much to learn and, let's face it, to paint!

So, here GW goes takin' a successful (but by no means un-beatable) Undead team and wants to eliminate it by splitting it up?! Unfathomable!!! :pissed:

So, understand that in certain majority(?) realms, new teams are not necessarily well received.... :evil:

So much for my 2 cents and change.... :wink:

P.S. For years I watched GW's other games AND NEVER ONCE picked up a rulebook or mini with the intention of learning... BB changed that. Though I still have NO curiosity about an expanding ownership of their product.... To GW I say: BB survived on it's own! Be DAMNED careful with wanting to F'k with it.... To the Fanatics: move with the caution of the ages....

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I've played a few of the other GW games.
I liked the old Warhammer 40K. That was entertaining, now, the new edition is a bit.. unpersonal. I've player warhammer quest, which is a sort of D&D, with mini's and D6 system. Entertainning, but I think most other roleplaying systems would just be way cooloer if U used minis to repreesent the dungeon and setting. I've tried necromunda as well. I think U all will be happy to know that people died a lot more often playing blood bowl, then in shootouts. Another game from Games Workshop that was fun, was Spacehulk. Don't hink it's published anymnore, but it had the entire Aliens 2 feeling. It was cool. Could be made very fun if remade.

Ok, I have to say, I'm a bit taken aback by some of the attitudes here concerning new teams. It's sounds a little bit like, "we don't want change, cuz we knmow what we have, but not what we will get" mentality over it. If it ain't broke, then don't fix it. I'm not sure I agree with this. The chaos team is fun to play, and properly balanced, but boring as hell. And we are talking Chaos here. In the Warhammer world, Chaos are so diverse, there are so many options, so many ways to put them together. Sure, keep the old CHaos team, for those who like it, but release a few different chaos themes, to satisfy all those who feel there is so much more to chaos.

And if you dislike the new undead teams, play using the old team lists. Nothing more to it really. :)

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Actually this is just what happened in BB mag #5

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While I agree Chaos starts boring, after a while you can make them more themed. Conversions and paint can really give a team a theme without the need for broken rules. Choose skills as appropriate to your chosen power. Is it perfect? No. It is better than including demons with some F'd up rules, or pissing off us Chaos coaches you don't want to lose our team s that we like. I could see splitting up Beasties and Warriors, but going to 5 powers and Beasties means 6 more lists! No way we need that many Chaos teams.

As for undead if the experimental rules go official, there will be no "normal" undead team to play. :pissed: Add Khemri and Vamps if needed, but leave our Undead team alone. Undead players attend tourneys too.

roysorlie wrote:And we are talking Chaos here. In the Warhammer world, Chaos are so diverse, there are so many options, so many ways to put them together. Sure, keep the old CHaos team, for those who like it, but release a few different chaos themes, to satisfy all those who feel there is so much more to chaos.

And if you dislike the new undead teams, play using the old team lists. Nothing more to it really. :)

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Don't think anyone suggested geting rid of the chaos roster, just adding the beastmen and CW/marauder lists AND the 4 power lists.

I agree though that's to many, but why not a Chaos league, like the Pub/Gobbo/Skaven/Dwarves that have been in the journal/BB mag? :?:

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I don't think the rosters need much changing (while saving the existing ones) to make good teams.

The Nurgle team as in BB mag 5 has only a few minor changes to regular chaos:

0-12 Beastmen
0-6 Rotters instead of 4 warriors and they start with FA @110K
A new Big guy M3S6A1AV10, FA, BigGuy, MB, Reg, StandF, Tantacles, ThickS, Really Stupid 160K

No Apothecaries

Just Minor changes and a very convincing team.

Let's make some for the other powers

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A new Big guy M3S6A1AV10, FA, BigGuy, MB, Reg, StandF, Tantacles, ThickS, Really Stupid
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While this big guy looks more like a Star Player than anything else, I've always thought the Albion Fenbeast would make a great 'troll' for a nurgle themed team. Check him out:

http://www.games-workshop.com/storefron ... tabase=802

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It's a Chaos Spawn, look for it at GW. VEEEERY nice mini

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