TBB Legacy Team Progress

[Tim]

But I'm not concerned about deadlines, some people have obviously spent more time painting than others, real life has a habit of interfering etc, some have had tourney teams to get done within the time frame whereas others haven't, and a myriad of other possibilities that could cause delay.

That's true, but on the other hand, we had 3-4 months to complete one single mini. I consider myself quite busy with my work and other hobbies, but i managed to get my Chaos Dwarf team painted for the Blood bowl, do the TBB Gobbo (it took about 10h to do this one) and convert and assemble 8 Ogres. So i think we need to come to an end with this one and start another TBB team in some months.

So I'd like to see entries allocated based on what people have contributed rather than when they contributed. There's just too many variables that you can't legislate for in the latter.

And maybe we should add the painting quality to this one. How about the following:
- for every basic mini gets 2 entries
- regular starplayers get 3
- Big Guys (or BG starplayers) get 4

Collect all the minis, then put the pictures up to TBB for judgement:

- sloppy painting gets -1 entry per mini
- very good painting gets +1 per mini
- excellent painting or heavy conversion gets +2 per mini (this should be reserved for the outstanding pieces, like Anthony's flying Gobbo)

Vote for the best 3 minis and give each of them another +1 entry.

This results in a quite large amount of entries into the drawing pot, but gives ppl a reward for giving their best ...

To let everybody have a chance to participate, I'd put up a team list of 16-20 players + additional coaching staff. Then i'd give everybody two weeks to apply for a slot in this list, afterwards open the list for multiple entries.

What you think?[/i]

[Milo]

To let everybody have a chance to participate, I'd put up a team list of 16-20 players + additional coaching staff. Then i'd give everybody two weeks to apply for a slot in this list, afterwards open the list for multiple entries.

What you think?[/i]

Not sure about the painting quality, although I can certainly understand that we'll get a range of quality. Still, the resulting quality doesn't necessarily mean that the painter worked any less HARD on the mini -- they may simply not be as experienced. I'd rather give extra entries only for people who invested more in it in terms of money (as the Big Guys invariably cost more than the smaller ones.)

I do like your idea about posting up a list and letting people "apply" for slots, though. I tried to do it this time, but didn't do a great job of keeping it organized.

On a separate note, I've got my minis painted, but not based yet. I'd like to try to match them to some of the minis which have already been painted, but I admit I'm not great with basing. Can you guys give me some tips on what to use, and how to paint them?

Milo

[SBG]

Milo :

I'm not a great "baser" myself, but, here's what I do for BB players, and it loks fine to me.

Paint the "ring" green (i use old Ral Partha Elven Green);
Paint the base dark brown (like dirt);
Some flocking;
Paint a faint white line, about as wide as those on the pitch. It gives a "relation" between the mini and the pitch IMHO.

Fred

[Anthony_TBBF]

Doh! I just realized today is the 1st, not tomorrow. I'm not going to make it to the post office today but I promise to get them out if you don't me posting them late...

[Tim]

Here's how i did my base (i do them all the same way):

- paint base ring green (don't listen to people telling you something about different base colors ... it looks not too well )
- thin down wood glue with 50% water and apply to base surface with a old brush, then have the base take a sand bath.
- clean base ring and mini's feet from unwanted sand (another old brush)
- let glue dry
- thin down wood glue with 75% water, apply to base, so that the sand is completely covered with water.
- let it dry ... it looks mostly like before the last step, but you'll never loose any sand of the base.
- paint base scorced brown
- rough drybrush with bestial brown
- light drybrush with bubonic brown
- apply some drops of pure wood glue (depending on how many grass parts you want) you can use a brush to apply the glue, but make sure, there's a thick white layer that's around a mm thick.
- take a bath in static grass
- put miniature upside down and hit the bottom side of the base with a small weight (pen of similar) to straighten static grass and get rid of unnecessary grass.
-let dry

sounds like a long procedure, but it takes me only 1h (plus drying times) to make 10-12 bases.

[Deathwing]

Yep, similiar tried and tested method.
I go sand (as above), bestial brown, medium dry brush snakebite leather, very light drybrush bleached bone, static grass (as above).

I agree with Milo in terms of painting quality, which is subjective anyway. This is more about taking part in contributing to something unique than about actually winning the thing.
I'd rather keep things as simple as possible.

[Torpor]

From the bleacher seats, I have been waiting for this one to end and the next Legacy Team to begin as I didn't want to jump in late. I have lost track of which miniatures have been received by Milo, which ones are 'almost done' and 'being shipped', and finally which people dropped out without another word. If you need another gobbo done to get this over with, I would be happy to paint/send one (only take a couple days as I have been working through a goblin team personally). Otherwise, what's the verdict on the poll?

[wesleytj]

who knows by now...i'm kinda annoyed with all the people who haven't sent their minis in yet. i know that people have busy schedules and all, but all you had to do was paint 1 miniature, and you signed up for it in JANUARY. Now it's MAY. If you can't paint 1 fig in 4 months then you've got serious issues.

I've told a friend who was interested that he had missed the deadline when he asked me about it on April 10th, because there was no way he was going to finish the model and have it mailed to Milo by the 15th, I guess I should have told him he had all kinds of time. I really think anybody who doesn't have their stuff IN MILO'S HANDS by the end of the week or so should forfeit their chance of winning, so we can draw the winner and move on with our lives.

And you know what, it has nothing to do with increasing my odds of winning, I knew when I sent my guy in I would probably never see him again, so I'm prepared for that. It's about courtesy. If you agree to something like this that has a VERY liberal and easy-to-meet deadline, it's rude and inconsiderate to not meet that. Like I said, 3.5 months to paint 1 miniature is so much time, there's no excuse short of traumatic accidents and/or comatose conditions that would make it impossible to meet. And most of the time with those, all you'd have to do is post something (or have next of kin do it) and everyone would understand.

There. If I've pissed some of you off, I'm sorry, but that is honestly the way I feel. This whole mess is pathetic, and it's beginning to ruin what for me WAS a very enjoyable experience and a good idea overall. I think getting guys together for something like this is really cool, I just wish people would all do their part.

[Anthony_TBBF]

Oh jeez, get over it.

[wesleytj]

gosh anthony, thanks for that thoughtful response...

i feel much better now, you've really cleared up your position for me.

[Deathwing]

I don't see the problem myself. You didn't object when we floated the idea of bumping the deadline, and afterwards the majority kinda agreed to make May 1 the hard date for shipping by way of the poll. Everybody (AFAIK) had them shipped by the 2nd. So the deadline got bumped once by popular opinion, and everybody made it.

As for your friend, the idea was that this was a TBB legacy team, something to do as a community. If they'd gone out to somebody who's not a member here and none of us know, then I'd have been a little pissed.

It's a fun thing. I just don't see what's to get upset about. It's not as if it's been delayed time and again and we're looking at an indefinate period here.
"..whole thing a pathetic mess."?
Life's too short.

[wesleytj]

well the only reason we had to bump the deadline at all was that only 6 ppl had their stuff in on time. and actually i did say something, but i wasn't annoyed yet. now it's passed the EXTENDED deadline, and people are still saying "oops I'll send in my stuff tomorrow"

as i said, it's just inconsiderate. i'm not going to lose sleep over it or anything, but at the same time i wasn't just going to not say anything about it, either.

[Stingger]

I'm with you wesleytj the deadline has been VOTED on and reached 1ST of MAY......this was started sometime February 4 months a go !!!

Make the draw lazy painters don't win......tough shit !!!

It's 3rd of May now.....who ever wins I'm not bothered.....I won't be entering another legacy team entery again.......whats the point....if its June
for december draw I'll send it January waste of peoples time and effort.

If you can't stick to a 4 month deadline DON'T ENTER!!!

[Anthony_TBBF]

8 votes for a hrad deadline, and 12 combined for other options? Hardly a decision IMO.

Anyways, it's just for fun! It's gonna be a cool team in the end. Whoever wins is gonna be pleased I think.

[Torpor]

Sheesh. I didn't mean to stir things up. What I was asking was where this project stood and could I help out to wrap it up as I would like to join in on the next one. Milo organized a good concept which looks like a lot of fun. He has little control over when/whether people send things to him. As this is a voluntary thing, I can imagine that it is similar to herding squigs across a finish line. On that note - go squigs!