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Without my NAF hat on, here are my thoughts about where the NAF should be going and what it should be doing. Most of this stands whether or not there is a nice new box in October. Didn't want to hijack the "releasing BB" thread.

The website obviously needs an overhaul. It should offer members and non-members different things, in a way that might be complicated to set up.
- An easy way for a tournament organiser to provide all the information that potential attendees might need, including an upload of the rulepack, a link to the forum thread, all on one page. This would improve this page:
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- This would need to be accessible to all without paying membership, otherwise it would not be used by tournament organisers (one of the reasons at the moment).
- There should then be a Members section, where you can view the Matches that took place, download the Score file, and read a tournament report.
- The Library section should be a central repository for all things to do with tabletop Blood Bowl, with links to excellent sites like Plasmoid's playbooks, bbgridiron.com, bbtactics, GW and so on, a catalogue of suppliers of Fantasy Football models. This is particularly necessary as Googling Blood Bowl I suspect will hit the Cyanide version more often than not. This should be a Members only service.
- There should be a new League section, offering the service that stuntyleeg offers, or used to, in that any BB league should be able to get access to OBBLM without having to install it themselves. This would need people to be NAF Members if they are part of the league. Edit: This does already exist on the OBBLM site, which I didn't realise, but incorporation with NAF would/might make it more popular.
- The NAF Newsletter should go to Members, and all the content accessible to Members only. At the moment this isn't possible because of the functionality of thenaf.net, so content resides on nafnewsletter.com.
- The Rankings are excellent, I think, and don't need any fiddling with. If the doubleskulls analysis could be automated and incorporated into the website, that would be great. Rankings and all analysis should be Members only.
- The Forum should be part Members and part non-Members, with all the tournament threads in a non-Members section, but with frequent hints about all the lovely stuff that can be found in the Members section.

Now all of the above is website-based, but some of it should be possible under the current structure. If there were a new structure at some point, it should bear the above in mind. In terms of non-website things:

- The NAF should have a Recruitment Organiser, who organises and supports demoing by local people at non-BB tournaments and events such as Salute. Obviously, the NAF is not trying to sell the game, but is trying to get people to play it, which would be a very different take for demo stands. With a standard setup and a standard set of simplified rules for demo games, this would make organising demos a lot easier.
- Without block dice, the "collectable" bit of merchandising should be rethought - maybe different coloured badges or patches for each year of membership. These could become as collectable as block dice, possibly.
- The membership should be reduced to around $5, as this will make it a lot easier for people to make the decision to join, and without the draw of block dice something needs to be done. However, the point has been made frequently that there needs to be something you get for your membership. All the website stuff that I mentioned above would I think be worth this nominal member fee, but without knowledge of the accounts I don't know if this would make the NAF viable.

I may think of more later, but I think that's it for just now.

Mike

Edit: As people make good points, I will summarise them.
First summary - page 4. http://talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopi ... 14#p679414

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Nice starting point, Mike.

I agree with many of your points. Reducing the fee and giving out a lesser premium are the main points I differ with. Do you have some inside knowledge that indicates the NAF doesn't have any interest in making their own block dice?

Also, and I ask this in the least ominous way possible, when are the next round of NAF elections? Ive never quite had a handle on the term length. One reason I ask is so that any new positions (Recruitment Organizer and League Program Organizer have both been mentioned) might be filled by election rather than by default.

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I should have stated in the first place that I have virtually no inside knowledge - I keep trying to get more! Next presidential election is January 2014, Treasurer March 2014 then Tournament in July 2014 I think.

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My concern is much of the website stuff you mention has been brought up before by various people (Grumbledook and Pako for example), and still nothing seems to have happened. I know the NAF has tried to use volunteers from within the community whenever it can, but perhaps it's time to bite the bullet and employ the services of a professional to improve it? We keep being told to "watch this space for improvements" (paraphrased) but we rarely actually see anything.

STARS/QUILT for example - both great ideas at the time, but lack of information on them, lack of flexibility and lack of guides meant they didn't get used enough, and now they've been superseded. They're no longer a draw to the website.


If the NAF is no longer going to be making Block dice, or other distinct "gifts", it really needs to improve the website for those members that are unlikely (or unable due to distance) to attend many or any tournaments.

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I agree with many of the sentiments here & the website needs a thorough overhaul. Any and all of the suggestions would be welcome.

The forums are a trickier proposition - they are currently overshadowed by these forums and I see little value in competing.

As for the gift - dice and tokens are all very well, but figures get most people excited. Sculptors such as Bob Olley & Paul Muller freelance and would make immensely popular models - more so than yet another variant on block dice.

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I think this is a very interesting time for the NAF and how it is going to look going forward. GW making the choice it did on the block dice is the biggest challenge the NAF has faced in a long time IMO, and now is the perfect opportunity to change the things that need to be changed. I feel like the NAF has settled on it's "Dice and Tournament Rankings" offerings for far too long.

Darkson is spot on when he says that Stars and Quilts has been surpassed, and I feel they are completly redundant now. They seemingly serve little purpose for any leauge players that I have come in contact to on the NAF site and others, the leauge software that is available is so smooth and works so well now that the NAF should skuttle Stars and Quilts or repurpose as a new tracking tool for tournament goers.

The one side of Blood Bowl that has been largly ignored by the NAF is leauge play, and I think there were very valid reasons of that, but with the proliferation of league managment software that can be incorporated into websites to create a connected base of leauges around the world the NAF could become, with work and time, the central hub for not only tournament play a but leauge play also. The zenith of this sort of set up would be that teams from one leauge that plays a similar system could, in theroy, could play games against another leauge from the other side of the planet, and could have teams that were developed through leauge play could play in tournaments against other similarly developed teams.

All this would be very hard and would take some time , but could potentially add significant membership numbers by incorporating a whole new style of play. S.

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@blammaham "What is FUMBBL". I didn't realise we were playing jeopardy on here these days, but I think I'm winning ;)

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You're right Darkson - there is this thread from a couple of years ago, that Grum has said he has changed his mind on a few of the points: http://www.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PN ... pic&t=5200

and Volstagg sparked a 5 page thread a bit later about the website: http://www.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PN ... 31&start=0

Pako obviously made lots of points during the Presidential debate, and the substantive ones I think are here: http://www.thenaf.net/index.php?name=PN ... &start=255

So there are lots of ideas about the website, but they all take time and resources.

There is part of me that thinks the "freebies" (dice, whatever) should be ditched as I get the feeling this takes up quite a lot of the President's time!

If the NAF were to get into demoing and so on for the good of the game, it might be that people pay membership to see that a good organisation is able to continue (though that might rely on altruism a little too much).

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Shteve0 wrote:@blammaham "What is FUMBBL". I didn't realise we were playing jeopardy on here these days, but I think I'm winning ;)
No, not really the same thing as connecting through Table Top IMO. FUMBBL is cool, but not at all what I had in mind. S.

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What I find entertaining is that the replies for this thread on here are heading onto the second page, while at the NAF site, your same thread has not had one reply. Does that say anything? :P

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That this site has free membership? :orc:

@Blammaham - apologies, I'll be less frivolous in my response this time. I suspect that very few leagues will want to allow crossover of developed teams, and note that there's a facility in obblm for team export to/import from cyanide already that enables this functionality. Beyond that, obblm doesn't allow for migration between leagues, only divisions; you'd be looking at a hell of a lot of programming revision for very little by way of returns.

Over the next few months I'll be working on an update of the obblm stylesheets that should reduce server use; I've reduced some of the coding complexity already to make it more customisable and will post up instructions for overlaying the standard templating once I'm done. After that I'll look to simplify integration with the phpBB software. I'd welcome help on this task, but I'd prefer any NAF subscription fee I generate to go on implementing a coherent and organised recruitment strategy for new players.

As a slight aside I'm not sure what the NAF forums adds that TFF doesn't have (as others have pointed out) so would actually prefer that the forum pointed here. Web hosting is fine, particularly as beneath a slightly clunky exterior OBBLM holds some great code, but why throw resources at something that's already freely available and perfectly functional elsewhere?

A big integration loss I see is between the estimated 20,000+ cyanide accounts and the tabletop version. If 10% of those accounts can be converted over to tabletop players within the next five years it will be an extraordinary acheivement. Where tabletop leagues currently thrive there are active recruitment processes, so for my money focus would be best deployed on assisting with promotion of new leagues in less well served areas and providing assistance in promoting NAF tournaments (as opposed to solely rewarding those who are already ingrained in the community).

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That you chose to reply here? ;)

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sann0638 wrote:That you chose to reply here? ;)
Shteve0 wrote:That this site has free membership? :orc:
A little from column A, a little from column B.

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Oh yeah, also, the NAF should adopt the Apes of Wrath roster as an official NAF race.

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Shteve0 wrote:Oh yeah, also, the NAF should adopt the Apes of Wrath roster as an official NAF race.

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Dang, missed that one. Come up with a nice shiny website and it's a deal!
Shteve0 wrote: As a slight aside I'm not sure what the NAF forums adds that TFF doesn't have (as others have pointed out) so would actually prefer that the forum pointed here. Web hosting is fine, particularly as beneath a slightly clunky exterior OBBLM holds some great code, but why throw resources at something that's already freely available and perfectly functional elsewhere?
Is it freely available? With stuntyleeg unresponsive, is there somewhere you can have you obblm league hosted?

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