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[Mephisto]

Yep, I and a couple of others got called anti-Spanish for criticising a sculpt by a Spainard (or something like that).

[Edit] Found it: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=37449&p=663833
Mephisto is the only person that's ever tried to turn criticism into an anti-country thing, so it's all his fault, and if as a PM suggests, my sig is being discussed by Spanish BB coaches, perhaps Mephisto should say why he tried to turn legitimate criticism ("melons") into a nationalistic thing.
I've criticised sculpts from UK and US sculptors (and probably others), yet I've never had anyone go "you don't like [example] the Perrys' figures? You must be anti-British."

Then, if I am not right, would not be the correct answer (especially coming froom an Administrator) something like: "No, you are not right, it is nothing against Spaniards. I also criticize English figures, etc", instead of putting that kind of signature? I think that instead of avoiding more conflict, you are aggravating it.

I don't have anything personal against you, even if I don't agree with your way of moderating (but if I don't like it I have the option of not entering TFF), but perhaps, if there are many Spanish users/coaches and firms feeling offended, it might be wise to intervene and try to solve the problem.

Hence, if it is all my fault as you said, then I apologize and I am sorry if my words were mistaken.

[burgun824]

For the record, I happen to have no issues with the way Darkson moderates. I also have no issue with the Spanish, but perhaps this isn't the thread to address these issues in.



....just saying.

[Norse]

I love the way the Spanish are happy to tell us there is no IP or copyright laws in Spain, so they can break other countries laws and laugh about it, but then get all nationalistic and defensive when someone calls them out on it...

[willy]

I love the way the Spanish are happy to tell us there is no IP or copyright laws in Spain, so they can break other countries laws and laugh about it,

what you say is false

but then get all nationalistic and defensive when someone calls them out on it...

of course, you attack, offends, insults all Spanish brands , you do not have education or respect . Many brands do not want to post in this forum , is logical .

I get bored with you.

[Xac]

Of course there are IP laws in spain...but we didn't hear a word when Greebo produced their ninja turtles (and TMNT do have IP), neither when Impact! produced Chibi Dungeon Explorers and Urban Archievers (and Dungeons&Dragons have IP and so does Great Lewosky), and only when Willy made his own view of Thrudd, the crowd though on its IP, but not when White Dwarf showed us their first plagiarism of Conan the Barbarian -renamed Thrudd-....and the list could go on with many hasslefree's miniatures "inspired" in cinema stars, almost all the vampire miniatures we see are plagiarism from the old Hammer's Dracula films and the original Murnau's Nosferatu, and many many more...

I'm not talking about any antispanish campaign, just a not-so-fair treatment Willy recieves sometimes...

The point is that Willy has made a review of an existing -though discontinued- miniature...if you don't like it, that's ok...but don't point the IP laws only when you don't like the miniature because tons of miniatures you like are plagiarism too...

Don't make this a nationalism problem...

[inkpwn]

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I'm not talking about any antispanish campaign, just a not-so-fair treatment Willy recieves sometimes...

The point is that Willy has made a review of an existing -though discontinued- miniature...if you don't like it, that's ok...but don't point the IP laws only when you don't like the miniature because tons of miniatures you like are plagiarism too...

Don't make this a nationalism problem...

FINALLY!
*shakes hand*
Sometimes it feels like an extended conversation with my father reading through this thread.

[theghr]

I dont know how anyone can actually think there is an anti-spanish thing going on. That is paranoid, how many sculptors are there anyway for someone to be able to draw such a conclusion? That said, i love Willys stuff and the way he do them.

[Darkson]

My issue with it (Lewdgrip) isn't IP - you can rip GW off as much as you like as far as I'm concerned. My issue with it's a blantant copy of a really poor figure. With the obvious talent Willy has, he could have produced a much better, yet recognisable, figure - he's shown that with the Chaos figures here (which if I'd had the money, I'd have brought).

Now if that critism is anti-Spanish, so be it.

[txapo]

And the issue that many casual spanish readers are getting with you is not related to IP either, is simply that they find offensive your signature. (those who will not understand the joke underneath). Anyway your choice.

[willy]

Of course there are IP laws in spain...but we didn't hear a word when Greebo produced their ninja turtles (and TMNT do have IP), neither when Impact! produced Chibi Dungeon Explorers and Urban Archievers (and Dungeons&Dragons have IP and so does Great Lewosky), and only when Willy made his own view of Thrudd, the crowd though on its IP, but not when White Dwarf showed us their first plagiarism of Conan the Barbarian -renamed Thrudd-....and the list could go on with many hasslefree's miniatures "inspired" in cinema stars, almost all the vampire miniatures we see are plagiarism from the old Hammer's Dracula films and the original Murnau's Nosferatu, and many many more...

thanks

FINALLY!
*shakes hand*

OK , but to be continue in next model Willy-miniatures

[spubbbba]

Of course there are IP laws in spain...but we didn't hear a word when Greebo produced their ninja turtles (and TMNT do have IP), neither when Impact! produced Chibi Dungeon Explorers and Urban Archievers (and Dungeons&Dragons have IP and so does Great Lewosky), and only when Willy made his own view of Thrudd, the crowd though on its IP, but not when White Dwarf showed us their first plagiarism of Conan the Barbarian -renamed Thrudd-....and the list could go on with many hasslefree's miniatures "inspired" in cinema stars, almost all the vampire miniatures we see are plagiarism from the old Hammer's Dracula films and the original Murnau's Nosferatu, and many many more...

I'm not talking about any antispanish campaign, just a not-so-fair treatment Willy recieves sometimes...

The point is that Willy has made a review of an existing -though discontinued- miniature...if you don't like it, that's ok...but don't point the IP laws only when you don't like the miniature because tons of miniatures you like are plagiarism too...

Don't make this a nationalism problem...

There were people, who pointed out the hypocrisy of criticising Willy for ripping off Thrudd but making no comment on others doing exactly the same thing to GW or large corporations. Someone even pointed out that the company that has the right to produce “official” Thrudd models also has models that are blatant copies of Dr Who and other characters from sci fi films/TV.

Most of GW’s stuff is based on very well known sci-fi and fantasy tropes. Goat and bull men hybrids are pretty easy to do without copying existing GW models, the same with large humans in heavy spiked armour. In fact GW got even less creative in their 3rd edition range by pretty much taking their fantasy line adding helmets and a couple of shoulder pads and snipping off the weapons.
The original Lewdgrip is an ok model, but I don’t see the point in making a very close copy, they could at least change the pose a bit.

[chou]

My issue with it (Lewdgrip) isn't IP - you can rip GW off as much as you like as far as I'm concerned. My issue with it's a blantant copy of a really poor figure. With the obvious talent Willy has, he could have produced a much better, yet recognisable, figure - he's shown that with the Chaos figures here (which if I'd had the money, I'd have brought).

Now if that critism is anti-Spanish, so be it.

Hi Darkson and everybody,

first of all, let me introduce myself. I'm Chou, also from Spain (oh, surprise). I think that the problem here is that we are mixing two different matters: your signature and the Tentacle miniature.

a) About your signature: yesterday I asked in the Spanish forum what was the problem with the spaniards after seing your signature. Since I'm new in the foro I didn't know what you explained several posts before about being sarcastic since somebody told you that for your criticism you are anti-spanish. Now I know I'm not offended, but just for a second consider that the newbies won't know the story behind and would just see the "Anti-whatever" thing.

That's what some other users have been trying to point out.

b) About the miniature: I didn't like the original one, nor like this one, and I agree with you that Willy have some sculptors that can put to shame the original one. But he decided to follow this approach, fine with me, I won't buy it and that's all. I don't see how that can be an attack to a brand, much less a country.

The line between copy and homage is pretty thin, so here I guess we have different opinions; in any case, Xac made a fair point about the IPs, Thrudd - Conan, The Great Lebowsky...

[Corvidius]

Norse may well have been kidding, large smiley face at the end of the message normally suggests that.

I think it's possibly easy for English speakers like myself to forget that there's folks reading whose first language isn't English. We use slang terms etc without really thinking about it.

But anyway, back to the mini. Still loving it.

[chou]

Norse may well have been kidding, large smiley face at the end of the message normally suggests that.

I think it's possibly easy for English speakers like myself to forget that there's folks reading whose first language isn't English. We use slang terms etc without really thinking about it.

But anyway, back to the mini. Still loving it.

Got your point, so I've edited my message. I still don't like it, but just for the sake of going back to the matter here.

About the mini itself...is just me or it looks a lot like Mesut Ozil?