Willy Miniatures : new KS !!

[Heff]

Finish , smaller ball and musculature retouched

but still a blatant copy

[inkpwn]

''It's truly a masterpiece. Note how the perspective lines draw the eye right to his dong. ''- Philip J Fry

[Pakulkan]

I think here we have two different concepts.

From my point of view as designer/sculptor there is a basic set up on a team design depending on what you could offer finally. There are basicly two options:

You could try to provide customers a brand new, innovative fashion for a FF team. Sculptor and designer work in to create a new paradigm. You could see this examples in the Apes team from Impact!, probably my Chaos Dwarves, etc.

On the other hand you could decide to provide an alternative to what was the cannon in previous years. In this way, you plan a reboot more than a new concept. It is clear Willy is providing these type of alternatives. Willy's range is following GW cannon, not only in this particular figure, but in all his teams. I think there isn't any harm on this. He is helping community to obtain new miniatures with a comparable fashion to what everyone who love classics wants.

We could see the Chaos team. The team have warriors, goat-based beastmen, and a minotaur. There are no huge style leap far from GW. But for this particular figure, there is an issue.

Willy is simply following his company policy. An alternative, well recognizable star player to fill an alternative, well recognizable team.

What is assumable in terms of pose, fashion, etc is by itself a subjective issue when we are talking about these reboots. Why a very GW chaos team is accepted and a very GW Star player is not is far away from my knowledge.

If it is a question to add a half helmet to this figure... well, I truly don't get the point. Will be this figure so different? So different to who? Because it still will be easy recognizable as Star player... So what?

[Darkson]

The team, while in the same style, are in different poses.
This is a copy of a star in the same pose.
That's the issue (imo).

[Glowworm]

I'm not that bothered about the similarity between this and "other" models..... I just think he would look better with a chaos style helm...

TBH, If I owned the "original" I'd be tempted to replace the head on that as well!! I just think its more in theme with a chaos

We moan because "evil GW" ( without whom we wouldn't have a game, may I remind all) don't support our hobby anymore, them rip into someone who does.

I like willy's work, his undead especially, and maybe we should be giving constructive comment not just screaming "COPY" I'm sure he's as aware of the originals pose as we are.....

Just my thoughts, got up in a bad mood, sorry if I offended...
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[txapo]

...and I wouldn't class Wikipedia as a reliable source for legal advise if I did.

I was not. I was calling my knowledge of spanish copyright laws on the matter. Have worked for GW myself both in Notts and Barcelona.

I was calling wikipedia article on plagiarism and art plagiarism which is the matter now.


And if you carry on being anti-Spanish I will remind you the war of jenking's ear and found a new ANti-Darksonian lobby mate!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Jenkins'_Ear

[Gaixo]

I'm not that bothered about the similarity between this and "other" models..... I just think he would look better with a chaos style helm...

TBH, If I owned the "original" I'd be tempted to replace the head on that as well!! I just think its more in theme with a chaos

But when the original Lewdgrip was designed, Chaos wasn't all about horned helms and goatmen. If anything, I wish the rest of this team had returned to that aesthetic. If Willy had updated all of the 2nd edition stars, I would have found that to be much more interesting than what we got: an attractive but incredibly generic team.

[Pakulkan]

The team, while in the same style, are in different poses.
This is a copy of a star in the same pose.
That's the issue (imo).

My point is that, once you start to reboot or refresh any range of items, there is a subjective area of grey between what is simply a reboot, and plagiarism.

To someone could be the pose, other could argue that is just the head... Anything between the precise original model and an absolutely non related one would appeal some of you and not others. One purist of IP could argue in fact the team as whole is plagiarism, at is clear it is based on GW canon.

To me, it is a good opportunity to get a "GW" chaos team better than the GW one. In this sense, fans of these fashion would thank a easily recognizable Tentacle. What close he should be to the oriniginal is a question with an answer for every player.

Probably the fans of this GW fashion would prefer a very close fashion to the original, keeping this image in mind. For whom doesn't like specially this fashion, the ones that doesn't matter if they are GW similar or not, this is just a guy with tentacle. Willy needs to appeal all customers, and IMO this is a logical reduction of the problem.

[txapo]

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My point is that, once you start to reboot or refresh any range of items, there is a subjective area of grey between what is simply a reboot, and plagiarism..

and my point is that if we are talking about art (and denny me scuplture is an art). Plagiarism is not even a sin, but an art movement.

[willy]

Willy is simply following his company policy. An alternative, well recognizable star player to fill an alternative, well recognizable team.

thanks

If Willy had updated all of the 2nd edition stars, I would have found that to be much more interesting than what we got: an attractive but incredibly generic team.

chaos pact 2nd edition incoming !!! but I have 1 problem "snake sanders" ... my favorite critics

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz2JgEeQZ1o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation ... 6ya7ZRlrEo

[txapo]

chaos pact 2nd edition incoming !!! ...

good choice!

I think gasperz team is nice, but I know you can krack it as well!!

And when the halflings????

[Kafre es Ispurio]

Although I like the idea of an homage to the old 2nd Edition Chaos Team and the miniature presented by Willy is, in my opinion, pretty impressive. I must say that I would love to see different poses to the ones presented in the 2nd edition miniatures. A chaos mutant holding a spinning ball in the top of his tentacle while challenging other players - with the other hand - to get the ball would be a better idea. Similar to the "pro" elf of the Blood Bowl Pc Game.

By the way, when are you going to give an excuse to sell my elf team Willy?

[DinoTitanedition]

Really like the remake of old Lewdgrip. That is what I would actually call "an up to date" version. Only thing I don`t like are the beltbuckles. But that`s just me I guess. I rather like to personalize teams, so "open" spaces for numbers or logos are prefered by me.

[kaditx]

Anti-Spanish

It's a joke, isn't it?

[Darkson]

Yep, I and a couple of others got called anti-Spanish for criticising a sculpt by a Spainard (or something like that).

[Edit] Found it: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=37449&p=663833
Mephisto is the only person that's ever tried to turn criticism into an anti-country thing, so it's all his fault, and if as a PM suggests, my sig is being discussed by Spanish BB coaches, perhaps Mephisto should say why he tried to turn legitimate criticism ("melons") into a nationalistic thing.
I've criticised sculpts from UK and US sculptors (and probably others), yet I've never had anyone go "you don't like [example] the Perrys' figures? You must be anti-British."