BB Mag #6

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:38 pm

On the basis of the last few issues, you'd be better of just reading about it

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:40 pm

Indigo wrote:Anyway, I tried to get a BB mag subscription but they refused me on the grounds that they were "sorting the system" and werent taking subscriptions...

Well I got my subscription via the online mail-order - to be honest, I was a little surprised it worked given all the problems I'd heard about. The gobbo minis I ordered at the same time haven't turned up yet, though I ran the trollz this morning and was told that the problem was that people had been ill, that my figs were now picked, and should be on their way to me.

However, something has happened to the website since when I select UK and then online store, it takes me to the US online store.

Martyn

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:47 pm

McDeth wrote:As for the Halfling Coaching article, well the lesser said the better. One failed dodge at the beginning of a turn and the defensive tactics are completely shot. offensive rests around throwing as many upfield as possible, with one of them being the ball carrier surrounded by his dodging stunty teamates. Coupled with a Star Player Treeman and a master chef and FF 3. Clearly this guy hasn't played anything since third edition.

as i said the less said the better

The only thing I can believe is that the writer has only ever played in a 3rd edition league and tried to take that knowledge directly to LRB. See in 3rd edition his article makes sense. Freebooting Stars and Chefs would keep your TR very low which would mean lots of handicap rolls which would mean lots of Random Event cards which would mean lots of money. This is the ONLY way his article makes any sense is if he's never played Haflings in an LRB setting.

You won't see this very often, but Zombie if you read this would you not agree that telling a Halfing coach to freeboot the Chef the first game and start with a FF of 3 or 4 is just stupid ... I could be wrong but this is the type of advice that would make me automatically discredit the speaker.

Let's ignore the offense and defenses strategies that sound like crap also and just focus on this for a second.

Halfling teams have cheap players, so you can do a lot with them on a starting roster. FF is vital in long term leagues and especially to Flings for several reasons ... 1) A lot of their FF rolls will be done with -1 modifiers ... 2) The team gets a lot of benefit from the ability to freeboot the Chef or Deeproot or something I'm betting the author didn't mention at all ... the team can freeboot 15k cannon fodder for a game if the team gets really nailed one game to fill in holes until SI can recover and Dead players permanently replaced. .... 3) Flings break pretty easily ... you need cash to replace them ... and 4) There is ZERO reason to give away advantages on the Kick Off table when your only roster player is 30k for pete's sake.

The sad thing is that given a chance to write the article, I could see me actually writing Zombie and Gregg Giersch (both experienced and successful Halfling coaches) and see if we could set aside our differences to see if we agreed on basic tactics with the team and could co-write a really bang up article for BB Mag ... I'd rather have a great article than sole glory. However maybe an article with Zombie and my name on it would be one of the signs of the end times, so maybe it was for the better. Althought ... seeing the suggestions given in BB Mag #6 ... I'm really hoping no one actually listens that has dreams of playing Halflings.

Galak

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:49 pm

And I'm waiting to see the first TBB person that believes the Ogre team is balanced and will work ... any takers to be the first to defend the team.

Actually I'm looking forward to Zombie's thoughts on the team ...

If the MBBL2 Snotling team leans towards broken in his eyes ... I have no idea what he's going to think of this ...

Oh and if a rookie Ogre team beat a rookie Norse team 3-0 ... they should have taken the roster back to the drawing board for another look over IMO.

Galak

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:56 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote: The sad thing is that if I was writing that article I would actually write Zombie and Gregg Giersch (both experienced and successful Halfling coaches) and see if we could set aside our differences to see if we agreed on basic tactics with the team and could co-write a really bang up article ... Galak

*Here comes Woody again..*

Sounds like exactly the kind of content the NAF are looking for to include in the Tactics and Strategy section...

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 1:59 pm

What the hell did they do with the Ogre team developed by the people here at TalkBloodBowl? Was it sent? I really liked the roster developed here...

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:15 pm

Galak.

Seems a good opportunity for that article still to be written, i'm confident that it would put the effort in the Mag to shame.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 2:16 pm

Deathwing wrote:
GalakStarscraper wrote: The sad thing if I was writing the article I would actually write Zombie and Gregg Giersch (both experienced and successful Halfling coaches) and see if we could set aside our differences to see if we agreed on basic tactics with the team and could co-write a really bang up article ... Galak
*Here comes Woody again..*

Sounds like exactly the kind of content the NAF are looking for to include in the Tactics and Strategy section...

See ... I'm not sure if Zombie would want to do that as I doubt he's running to join the NAF ... I might do it just to have a reasonable rebuttal to this nonsense somewhere on the web. I don't know Zombie's motivators, but I'm assuming that a BB Mag article might have been something he'd be interested having his name on ... this is guesswork on my part completely that he'd have a single ounce of interest in such a thing in the first place.

We'll see ... I'll keep it in mind DW ... I've got a big too list for BB that just doesn't seem to get any smaller with each passing day.

Galak

Sixpack595 · Post by **Sixpack595** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 5:51 pm

I'll reserve judgement untill I see them play.

As far as no bonehead, or rerolling bonehead, I don't really care...untill I see it turn out to be a problem. Since the list is experimental, allow it and then remove it before going official if it don't work. The rerolls are not cheap, and if you don't let the Ogres use them, why buy them? 1 or 2 max. It would suck to have half your team unable to use your 70K rerolls. If they are not allowed to use them, I would see them lower the price.

I figure they will allow the rerolls but compared to the Khemri team I don't see them being over the top...against everyone else...yikes.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 7:16 pm

depends why you think the Khemri team is overpowered. Is it because of 4 mighty Blow Mummies. if so, well how about 8 Mighty Blow Ogres, with Ag 2

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:16 pm

Fanatic Orge team?

'nuff said.

I also thought the match report was confusing. For the 1st score a TTM managed to STUN an orge and the gobbo losing the ball. Turnover. Next we read, the Brutes go on to score. What was the Norse coach doing all his turn, scratching his arse?

And I have to agree about the tactics. I've only played against 'Flings once (right Galak

), but even I thought some of the advice was poor at best. And FF 3 or 4? For tournaments maybe, but league play? And only one re-roll? I assume this coach always takes sure hands as a 1st skill then?

Post by **Thadrin** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 9:27 pm

I hope Andy - as Editor of the mag - sees this, and realises that he's putting his name to stuff that is substandard. I happily lump ALL the teams the BB Mag has printed into this. Does Jervis play BB any mrore AT ALL???
I seem to remember them saying something about having tested the rules around the Studio. Tested them to check they could beat on everyone else maybe....

Can't wait for the second half of the "all at sea" article though. The first half was another fine piece of work by the Brown brothers.

Not got my no.6 yet though. Hope I don't have to get all

at some hapless Troll.

Post by **Dave** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:43 pm

Darkson: 'Flings do not have acces to General Skills

Pity the Ogre team looks like this.

I want the mini's but with these rules ...

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 10:46 pm

Dave wrote:Darkson: 'Flings do not have acces to General Skills

That's what I'm saying though, only 1 RR, for a team with no Sure Hands

Can you say "Turnover City!"?

Not to mention re-rolling landings from TTM, which this guy seems to advocate every turn, defence or offence, and no RR for when you've already used your dodge?

Post by **Dave** » Thu Feb 13, 2003 11:11 pm

Haven't read the article yet (Ain't got the mag - yet) but I am a 'Flings player.

What I read here the guy can't be more wrong ..