Changes to the BBRC
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Changes to the BBRC
Just so you are aware Galak has been asked to step down from the BBRC with immediate effect.
This is not expected to impact the release of LRB6 in any way, and the final version should be unchanged from the version produced by Galak.
I'd like to pass on my own personal thanks to Galak who has worked immensely hard and taken lots of criticism over the years. Blood Bowl would not be in the excellent state it is today if it wasn't for his dedication and commitment to the game. I'm sorry to see him leave the BBRC.
This is not expected to impact the release of LRB6 in any way, and the final version should be unchanged from the version produced by Galak.
I'd like to pass on my own personal thanks to Galak who has worked immensely hard and taken lots of criticism over the years. Blood Bowl would not be in the excellent state it is today if it wasn't for his dedication and commitment to the game. I'm sorry to see him leave the BBRC.
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Oh wow. Doubleskulls, would you mind indulging us under what circumstances Galak was removed from the BBRC? Its nice to hear that LRB6 is still essentially in the clear, but still, thats quite a major blow. I just want to thank Galak for contributing so heavily to the new BBRB and that despite this, that he still remains a great BB enthusiast.
I can take a few guesses why he was told to stand down [Maybe GW thought he was leaking/hyping LRB 6 details to the public while it was still unfinished from their perspective? Or possibly because the mention of Games-Workshop's Caveat they considered damaging to their image?], but regardless, it seems a bit extravagant on GW's part.
I can take a few guesses why he was told to stand down [Maybe GW thought he was leaking/hyping LRB 6 details to the public while it was still unfinished from their perspective? Or possibly because the mention of Games-Workshop's Caveat they considered damaging to their image?], but regardless, it seems a bit extravagant on GW's part.
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Re: Changes to the BBRC
One Question... Why?DoubleSkulls wrote:Just so you are aware Galak has been asked to step down from the BBRC with immediate effect.
Another Question... By who?
Also... What's happening with the BBRC, with the curent status of the LRB?
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Sad day indeed. No idea what drama is going on behind the scenes, strange times indeed at the moment, but I hope (vain as it may be) that doesn't become the main focus of the thread. I'm not normally one for posts such as these but in this case it's entirely deserved, and a lot more besides. I'll offer my thanks as well for all the countless hours of effort put in to the game, the benefits of which we all share in, and wish you all the best with your other projects.
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Thanks Tom.
I'll refrain from saying anything else.
I'll refrain from saying anything else.
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Many thanks to Galak of course, and a thoughtful "hmm" towards GW. Strange days indeed.
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WOW
That feels like a kick in the nuts.
Whatever else may come of this I just want say:
THANK YOU GALAK FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK!!!!
JPS
That feels like a kick in the nuts.
Whatever else may come of this I just want say:
THANK YOU GALAK FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK!!!!
JPS
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Re: Changes to the BBRC
Thanks Ian and everyone.
Best guess is that I've contributed around 3000 volunteered hours to creating the LRB 5.0 and 6.0 over the last 5 years. (2000 of those were for the LRB 5.0 over 2 years and 1000 for LRB 6.0 over the last 3).
I personally typed up around 90% of the Rule part of the LRB 6.0 based on a starter document provided to me based on his re-creation of LRB 3.0 by Josh Blanchette (thanks Josh!). The entire Background I typed up. (I created around 50% of the new background ... Stephen Hutton the other half). For those that don't know why this is true ... GW lost the source documents for the Blood Bowl rulebook after LRB 2.0. That's why I've created the LRB for them since LRB 3.0 (I had the software and knowledge how to do it).
I'm disappointed to be forcibly removed from the BBRC ... but to be honest ... I'm not angry.
GW is on a legal rampage as of late ... I'm not sure what they think will be the end benefit from it but I personally feel that Blood Bowl just isn't important enough for them to worry about its fan base. Its just the bitter truth of GW's business model. What would be an flagship product for another company doesn't register for them on the importance scale. Jervis discussed this at GenCon in 2005. If you've never heard that speech ... take the time out to listen to it and you'll understand a lot more of where Blood Bowl falls on GW's business model http://www.midgardbb.com/JervisRules/Je ... 172005.mp3
Anyway ... I'll go back to topic of I'm not angry. GW has a new head of legal and she is cracking down. Part of that crackdown was directed at me and they felt I should be removed from the BBRC.
The bottom line all of you should take away is this and its very important to me that this is the take away:
LRB 6.0 is finished. My opinion is that what GW just did to me will not effect LRB 6.0 going live. Everything should still be in the works ... its just moving at huge corporation speed. So patience. Does it suck that after everything I've done that this is the parting gift from GW ... yeah ... but I didn't do this work to be appreciated by Jervis or GW ... I did this work because I felt Blood Bowl was going to be destroyed as a fun game based on the original plans for LRB 5.0 that were presented to me. I did this work for the game and the community ... and LRB 6.0 is the best damn set of rules Blood Bowl have ever had ... so my personal mission was a success as soon as LRB 6.0 is officially posted. Despite what folks have accussed me of over the years ... I didn't do this because I got some high working for GW or wanting the glory of the role ... I did it to make sure my favourite board game stayed my favourite board game. I'm excited to play in my next LRB 6.0 tournament ... I've played Slann at some events but haven't played 'Flings since LRB 4.0 (3 1/2 years) ... I'm looking forward to doing that again.
Also ... the role of the BBRC is done. As has been indicated by my signature for a year ... LRB 6.0 is it. So if there is not a planned date at all for a future LRB ... the need for a BBRC is just not there. So being officially removed from a group that was done away isn't the worst thing that could happen if it was a needed thing for LRB 6.0 to become official.
At the end of the day ... I did all this work for the game and the incredible community behind the game. Those elements are not done with me. So yesterday was a sad day for me in many ways ... but I still look forward to LRB 6.0 becoming official and that is much more important than something happening to a fan of the game over in Indiana, USA.
Thanks for the kind words guys ... since I'm typing this anyway ... I'm going to encourage everyone to NOT (I repeat NOT) start making fake LRB 6.0s. I have faith that the right thing is going to happen and if me not being part of the BBRC is what it takes for LRB 6.0 to become official ... its a small small insignificant price to pay.
Galak
Best guess is that I've contributed around 3000 volunteered hours to creating the LRB 5.0 and 6.0 over the last 5 years. (2000 of those were for the LRB 5.0 over 2 years and 1000 for LRB 6.0 over the last 3).
I personally typed up around 90% of the Rule part of the LRB 6.0 based on a starter document provided to me based on his re-creation of LRB 3.0 by Josh Blanchette (thanks Josh!). The entire Background I typed up. (I created around 50% of the new background ... Stephen Hutton the other half). For those that don't know why this is true ... GW lost the source documents for the Blood Bowl rulebook after LRB 2.0. That's why I've created the LRB for them since LRB 3.0 (I had the software and knowledge how to do it).
I'm disappointed to be forcibly removed from the BBRC ... but to be honest ... I'm not angry.
GW is on a legal rampage as of late ... I'm not sure what they think will be the end benefit from it but I personally feel that Blood Bowl just isn't important enough for them to worry about its fan base. Its just the bitter truth of GW's business model. What would be an flagship product for another company doesn't register for them on the importance scale. Jervis discussed this at GenCon in 2005. If you've never heard that speech ... take the time out to listen to it and you'll understand a lot more of where Blood Bowl falls on GW's business model http://www.midgardbb.com/JervisRules/Je ... 172005.mp3
Anyway ... I'll go back to topic of I'm not angry. GW has a new head of legal and she is cracking down. Part of that crackdown was directed at me and they felt I should be removed from the BBRC.
The bottom line all of you should take away is this and its very important to me that this is the take away:
LRB 6.0 is finished. My opinion is that what GW just did to me will not effect LRB 6.0 going live. Everything should still be in the works ... its just moving at huge corporation speed. So patience. Does it suck that after everything I've done that this is the parting gift from GW ... yeah ... but I didn't do this work to be appreciated by Jervis or GW ... I did this work because I felt Blood Bowl was going to be destroyed as a fun game based on the original plans for LRB 5.0 that were presented to me. I did this work for the game and the community ... and LRB 6.0 is the best damn set of rules Blood Bowl have ever had ... so my personal mission was a success as soon as LRB 6.0 is officially posted. Despite what folks have accussed me of over the years ... I didn't do this because I got some high working for GW or wanting the glory of the role ... I did it to make sure my favourite board game stayed my favourite board game. I'm excited to play in my next LRB 6.0 tournament ... I've played Slann at some events but haven't played 'Flings since LRB 4.0 (3 1/2 years) ... I'm looking forward to doing that again.
Also ... the role of the BBRC is done. As has been indicated by my signature for a year ... LRB 6.0 is it. So if there is not a planned date at all for a future LRB ... the need for a BBRC is just not there. So being officially removed from a group that was done away isn't the worst thing that could happen if it was a needed thing for LRB 6.0 to become official.
At the end of the day ... I did all this work for the game and the incredible community behind the game. Those elements are not done with me. So yesterday was a sad day for me in many ways ... but I still look forward to LRB 6.0 becoming official and that is much more important than something happening to a fan of the game over in Indiana, USA.
Thanks for the kind words guys ... since I'm typing this anyway ... I'm going to encourage everyone to NOT (I repeat NOT) start making fake LRB 6.0s. I have faith that the right thing is going to happen and if me not being part of the BBRC is what it takes for LRB 6.0 to become official ... its a small small insignificant price to pay.
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Does that mean you can happily put Impact miniatures back into your sig now? 

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Blood Bowl has been, and always will be your game Tom. We all know that. GW may be ungrateful but we're not.
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Re: Changes to the BBRC
As you have said already Tom - Your work is done.
LRB6 is complete and it is the best bloodbowl ruleset ever. We have you and the rest of the BBRC to thank for that.
LRB6 is complete and it is the best bloodbowl ruleset ever. We have you and the rest of the BBRC to thank for that.
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Tom,
Thanks for the explanation by way of your post.
As always, many thanks to yourself, and all the members of the BBRC, for all your work over the years to keep Blood Bowl alive and kicking.
You deserve better treatment and better recognition from GW, and I hope you get that someday, despite what you say.
On the bright side, now you can spend more time on other pursuits - how are the Timberline Elves coming along???
Cheers,
Nestyr
Thanks for the explanation by way of your post.
As always, many thanks to yourself, and all the members of the BBRC, for all your work over the years to keep Blood Bowl alive and kicking.
You deserve better treatment and better recognition from GW, and I hope you get that someday, despite what you say.
On the bright side, now you can spend more time on other pursuits - how are the Timberline Elves coming along???

Cheers,
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