LRB 6.0

[Dark_Soul]

"Vampire & Merchants is pleased to announce the 3rd running of the annual ARBBL fantasy football tournament..."
How are they going to stop that?

[thechosengobbo]

And how are newcomers going to find out there are BB tournies if we don't make it half obvious there ARE BB tournies?

Someone's gotta make it complicated enough for GW legal to miss it, and simple enough for someone 'interested in BB' to find it, even those not on TFF. (any 'stupid lawyer' jokes thought of at this point will be gratefully received via PM)

[Slinky]

My problem here with those saying they'd stick with 5.0. I understand that's your choice.

But my league, we love 6.0. Its FUN to see coaches talking about trying out Halfling or Vampire teams again. We didn't have this with 5.0. Heck even one of our old Goblin coaches is getting back into the mix because of the 50k bribes.

While 5.0+ to 6.0 was not a big move, 5.0 to 6.0 WAS a big move.

LRB 5.0 was all about creating a different way to balance Blood Bowl. The core mechanics were good but the fine details were not flushed out. Yes it has a 2 year testing cycle, but there were only months that passed between Version 1.12 of the LRB 5.0 and what became the final version.

LRB 6.0 had the ability to spend 3 years trying to get teams into the winning tier system that BBRC defined. And a huge part of that was working on the Tier 2 and 3 teams to increase their winning %s as they were hammered pretty hard by LRB 5.0.

LRB 6.0 is the "more fun" and "more balanced" version of Blood Bowl. In my league, we care about a fun balanced game more than we care about what GW is saying is official. At the end of the day, we'll draw in more new faces to our league because of how many folks talk about how much fun they had vs whether it was the GW canon for BB.

As a final note, new player buys Blood Bowl from GW. They open it up and get a great prize. Look its LRB 1.0! Congrats, you have a "collectible" rulebook (since its so terribly old and out of date). That new player who then searches out a league is going to have to learn a different rule system anyway from what was in the box. At that point, LRB 5.0 vs 6.0 is a pretty meaningless seperation. And if they have to get a new rule system anyway, it might as well be the better rule system? Eh?

[DoubleSkulls]

Despite Galak not being able to comment from now onwards for a certain amount of time, I would suggest Wylder we follow his advice which he has given us a while back before. LRB 6 is most likely on its way and it is best to wait and be patient to see the results rather than try to stir up any complications or actions which may threaten or agitate GW. We all want to see LRB 6, so lets see if it is released first before taking extreme action and blowing the chance of GW even releasing LRB6 because of a hostility.

I think this is very good advice. I'm sure things will be clearer soon.

[Babs]

Although 'soon' will be slower than in internet circles - we may need to wait until the new year with Christmas time disrupting proceedings....

We shall see....

[Agamemnon2]

You'll notice I mentioned using free hosting and torrents. Sure those services can get issued C&D's, but I'm willing to be I can put up new copies on hosting services that can't be traced back to me a lot faster than GW can get them taken down. Then consider that there would be other people willing to do the same.

If GW aren't willing to host the rules then I am beyond caring whether we "keep them on our good side".

Morally, I am completely against any notion that we should, as a community, willfully engage in what can only be construed as piracy. If BB cannot be kept alive by legal and above-board means, I say Blood Bowl doesn't deserve to survive.

Whether we like it or not, Blood Bowl is still GW's game, and we have no say over what happens to it. If they want to destroy it, they can, and will.

[alternat]

Morally, I am completely against any notion that we should, as a community, willfully engage in what can only be construed as piracy. If BB cannot be kept alive by legal and above-board means, I say Blood Bowl doesn't deserve to survive.

Whether we like it or not, Blood Bowl is still GW's game, and we have no say over what happens to it. If they want to destroy it, they can, and will.

you're the new GW lady-lawyer-in-chief in disguise, aren't you?

the real fact is that pigs ran out of the pen, and now they're trying to close the gate. LRB6 exists, and there are many people in the world that can play with it, with or without GW support. It will be harder to spread, from now on, but not impossible.

[PapyHarzen]

If BB cannot be kept alive by legal and above-board means, I say Blood Bowl doesn't deserve to survive.
Whether we like it or not, Blood Bowl is still GW's game, and we have no say over what happens to it. If they want to destroy it, they can, and will.

Well, it's your opinion.

Let me tell you a funny story.
In France, since the 3rd edition rules, we don't had any official translate (I mean GW official translate).
In this case the game should be die at this time but he's not.
We have fresh blood, they came in clubs and/or leagues and we explained them new rules, LRB, GW and all these sort of things.
Without any kind of legal support. Neither.
So you can say it's a big piracy country because we use fan's translate job, in my mind I prefer big Bloodbowl lover country.

Last post for me on this subject.
I understand Galak and Doubleskulls position.
You have all my gratitude and, in all cases, the job don't be lost.

Papy

[StoneColdSpider]

somthing about all this does not smell right....

[Anglachel]

“Something is rotten in the state of Grandm...uhh... Denmark?”

Gamlet, Star Blitzer of the LRB6 Crusaders.

[Thadrin]

All of this worries me, but I do think we need to be patient. We have the rules we want - LRB 6 - whether they become "Official" or not.

GW will eventually have to come out with a yay or nay on this. Hopefully it will be sooner rather than later. If they don't then I imagine eventaully someone in the know will lose patience. I honestly hope those people are sitting on some information and have been told not to spread it out.

I see no way GW profit from nixing what is essentially a set of tweaks and fixes on LRB5, rather than the huge overhaul of four to five. Knowing Granny, that is of limited meaning.

We DO have to sit and wait and try not to antagonise the pensioner and especially her lawyers (who I suspect are colluding with the accountants while the studio types watch helplessly.)

[rodders]

some people must really be going through keyboards tight now


lets just sit tight for a wee while and wait and see what happens no need to get overexcited and worried about what could yet turn out to be nothing.

assumption is the mother of all f**k ups

[WildAnimal]

BACKUP YOUR LRB5+ & 6

I just collected my LRB5+ .pdf and all the reference sheets, LRB6 add-on and other documents i have collected for the game, and made a backup copy on a DVD disc, and put it securily away, so i don't loose my rulebook for the future, when GW goes back to pure LRB5, becouse of some shitty computer game, or corporate reason i don't know.

I advice all others to backup there LRB5+ files and possible there LRB6 add-ons in the same way. Someday very soon it will be impossible to find anything related to LRB5+ or 6 on the web. becouse GW for some reason i don't know has decided to kill of anything newer then LRB5

[mepmuff]

Come on guys, don't panic.


I'm quite convinced LRB 6 will get there. Galak might be willing to go along with GW, but I think he's already made it pretty clear that it's all about getting that ruleset out there for the community to use. So I'm very much convinced that if that were not to happen we'd something very different from composed 'no comments'...

[PubBowler]

Towels all round.

Awesome.