Can you say recaster????

[Old Man Draco]

PS: Who cares?

that's where you are wrong. I would not mind having recasts, but only if I know they are. And I would tell others that my figs are recasts as well.

But there are people who like to have these limited edition figures because they like to collect rare minis. The originals are valueable.

Now imagine, you have an orginal Ogre you want to sell and somebody else is selling his recasts way below the price, but selling them as originals. You get stuck with yours. Wouldn't you feel cheated?

[Karl Lagerbottom]

Not only that, but once they are painted...how do you know?

Say someone had a nicely painted team of these that they'd like to get fair value for? Sure they can hope that a collector might be over-anxious and will bid/pay alot while hoping that these are for real. That said...might the return on this team be lessened by the thought that these could be recasts?

-RobO

P.S. Forget about the matter of what's legally or morally proper.

[civilian_number_two]

PS: Who cares?

that's where you are wrong. I would not mind having recasts, but only if I know they are. And I would tell others that my figs are recasts as well.

But there are people who like to have these limited edition figures because they like to collect rare minis. The originals are valueable.

Now imagine, you have an orginal Ogre you want to sell and somebody else is selling his recasts way below the price, but selling them as originals. You get stuck with yours. Wouldn't you feel cheated?

I wasn't "wrong" exactly; I was deliberately going against the grain. I don't understand the collecting thing; I would rather buy a copy of The Catcher in the Rye for $20 than pay $25000 for a first edition:

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDet ... D0%26y%3D0

For example.

I know this is just a difference of opinion, but I would rather have the thing than know that it's the "first one ever made." Never understood it. The "value" of the scarcity of old stuff that hasn't been reprinted or recast or whatever is entirely artificial, created by these collectors. And the original casts are only truly valuable if they are never painted, and ideally in their original packaging. With books they are more valuable of they are never read. And so on.

Me, I like to play Blood Bowl.

Naturally the issue of the guy illegally manufacturing the intellectual property of another company is another thing altogether. My only concern regarding the danger of buying a recast would be in giving the guy money he wasn't entitled to. But when the parent company refuses to support the game with new miniatures, my sympathy is more limited. These aren't bootleg CDs; these are bootleg CDs that the distribution house has stopped making (more common that you'd think). If the interest is there, they should license the designs to another company rather than sit on them like a dog in the manger.

[Decker_cky]

Recasts are of lower quality pretty much without fail though. They don't represent them as being recasts, so they make it far more difficult to find old figures that are good quality. So they recasts sell for more than they do and the real figures sell for less than they should. The only people that win are the recasters themselves. People wanting the real figures risk getting a recast, people wanting recasts pay more than a recast is worth, and people selling real models have their models devalued.

Recasting is bad.

[brettness37]

If the interest is there, they should license the designs to another company rather than sit on them like a dog in the manger.

QFT

[Brage97]

I bought 4 Necromunda Escher Juves on Buy it Now for 5GBP that were recasts.

The quality was really bad; the minis were much thinner front to back than the originals, and much detail had been lost looking from the side.

I got my money back, but it shows that recasts are not always of an ok quality either. I would have hated to pay full price for these.

[Fassbinder75]

In my experience from buying on ebay - which I've done quite a bit of lately:

Buyer beware (duh) - until such time as when GW re-releases its popular old 1st & 2nd edition BB minis (thats a big if) recasters are going to fill the void in the secondary market. Often a seller does not know (or will feign ignorance) the product they're selling.

When I've bought miniatures in bulk I have often found that some are legit, and others are recasts. One auction featured a sharp photo with primed miniatures (2nd ED Elves) it wasn't until they were stripped that I could tell that some were recasts.

I bought some orcs and Luthor von Hawkfire that had horrible blurry colour pictures on the auction. Both were entirely legit and I picked them up for a song.

Basically its a crapshoot, auction pictures will never give enough clarity to allow the buyer to identify whether a figure is legit with a reasonable degree of accuracy. I would recommend to watch ebay for a week or two to see how auctions flow through, seeing single unpainted ('stripped') figures listed back to back rings alarm bells for me.

[Joemanji]

Who would undercoat up models just to sell? Clearly lying.