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cyagen wrote:My economist brain however can't get over the fact that GW is leaving a BIG part of the market empty.
Well, sure. They're not servicing a segment of the gamer market by not selling old minis, regardless of their reason.

But my economist brain, a small shrivelled piece of blackened walnut hull encapsulated like a teratoma somewhere inside my head, says that recasting is theft and ought to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law in order to PROTECT free market forces.

If there is market demand for inexpensive minis, a supplier should be encouraged to service this demand without restriction. In Bloodbowl, this means selling minis people want at a price they're happy paying AND allowing use of said minis freely in any tournament/event they want to play in.

At the same time, if another supplier (GW) doesn't want to sell their minis inexpensively for whatever reason (maybe their labor market imposes higher production costs on them which need to be recouped through sales and their business model or materials costs don't permit them to seek volume sales), then it is their choice to appeal to a high budget segment of the same market.

Having Vendor A take the products of Vendor B's labor costs and reproduce those items with inferior materials and without investment in design/development would, if unchecked, quickly saturate the market with inferior product and bankrupt Vendor B. Supply and Demand at work? Hardly! Thats outright theft of Vendor B's investment in design and development.

Thats what recasting does.

But GW (Vendor B) contributes to their own problem:
1. They keep jacking up the prices at a greater rate than inflation, pricing their product out of the hands of more people and encouraging other companies to take a swipe at their market by producing competing minis.
2. GW insists people play only with minis produced by GW.

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3. Yet GW won't produce the minis with which to play. :roll:

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An economist's solution to the recasting problem:

GW license the right to recast old figs to a company like Goblin Forge or Impact. With that they would get money without working.

I however fear that their demands would be unreasonable. But I was a nice though to have :)

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cyagen wrote:An economist's solution to the recasting problem:

GW license the right to recast old figs to a company like Goblin Forge or Impact. With that they would get money without working.

I however fear that their demands would be unreasonable. But I was a nice though to have :)
Getting well off-topic here, but I would love to see this happen as well.

Sadly I agree it is very unlikely, but it was a very nice thought you had...

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Sold these a couple of months ago

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... 0264740732
September

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... 0270028419
Oktober

http://cgi.benl.ebay.be/ws/eBayISAPI.dl ... 0272967120
Oktober

All diferent auctions. When you look at his feedback, you see all of his figs coming back.

Where can you report one on Ebay or with GW?

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Back to the topic. I've bought quite a while back the right dwarf from the seller. The left one is to compare them.

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At the front not much difference. Only the tab is a bit blurred. And a shiny metal from a newer cast it seems.

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At the back. The belt and the skirt are not that nice.

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But the bottom. One big hole!

I don't want to say the seller sells recasts or something like that. This special figure maybe only was a bad cast.

But it is curious he use always the same pics and sells the complete 2nd edition Chaos Dwarfs for example nearly every month!

I won't buy anything more from this seller even he is the last one who has the figure(s).
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I've been looking at ebay a lot over the last year as I've been buying and having my winnings sent to my brother in the UK to be collected at Xmas when I'm home. Hopefully his inspection of those minis will have been good and none will turn out to be recasts.

From the months of looking, there are quite a few sellers like this one who frequently sell the same figures. I just hope I haven't accidentally bought from any of them.

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No question in my mind that that Flint Churnblade is a recast.

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Master Wang wrote:From the months of looking, there are quite a few sellers like this one who frequently sell the same figures. I just hope I haven't accidentally bought from any of them.
It is pretty easy to tell these days. If the same 2nd ed figure, or out of print one hits ebay time and again from the same seller and they have sold in the past - you can place a bet that this will be a re-caster.

Blood Bowl and Epic have a few re-casters out there. It is only those die-hards that attend lists like this however that really know what is going on most of the time and can make the informed decision whether to buy or not.

I am shocked that there has been talk of recasts of Impact minis and the like. If this is actually happening, then that is just pathetic. I hope no-one from these lists buys them.

This subject has come up time and again. Is it possible and legal to just place up a sticky of possible recasters so people can just refer to it and we do not have to bring these discussions up again every so often?

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frogbear wrote:This subject has come up time and again. Is it possible and legal to just place up a sticky of possible recasters so people can just refer to it and we do not have to bring these discussions up again every so often?
Every time it comes up, someone asks this. And every time, Hoomin reminds us that he started a thread like that a while ago, and no-body really bothered.

But yes, I'd like a list.

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As to wheter it's legal to have a list, I've no idea.
But unless it's a proven fact that xxx is a recaster, I'd rather not risk it.

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Ok, so how do these guys do it? Are they seriously just making play-doh moulds?

How can we spot it.

(The flint churnblade pics were helpful, But I'd never pick that up during a standard ebay deal)

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How they do it, I do not know?

It is hard to tell from a picture when you have nothing to compare with. A clue is when they are selling rare stuff over and over again.

You can tell when you see them next to each othe. The dwarf is a good example. Here I got another one.

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They are more shiny and there is a weight difference. This I got from another recaster on ebay.

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The shiny metal is no indicator for a recast.
Some of the older figures like the 2nd edition Goblin Ooligans, Frank'n'Stein and so on were sold by Games Workshop here in Germany before they reorganized their online store.
I don't think these were old casts which they have stored somewhere.
(The flint churnblade pics were helpful, But I'd never pick that up during a standard ebay deal)
I wouldn't have took the figure too if the pic was the right one. He sold the figure with the pic you can see at his current Churnblade auction!

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Post by thechosengobbo »

Actually, it's not just shiny metal. I was once caught out with Zara mini. The metal wasd more grey, and rough to the touch.

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