Blood Bowl tournament tactics - (1 mil & Star environmen

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Dec 11, 2002 6:44 pm

McSnaga wrote:You said there was just 1 Chaos Dwarf Team, but 2 are listed on your first version of the top 25 ?

I can understand why no-one took High Elves - far too pricy and skill lacking for this environment .. okay in a longer league format though.

That's typo, well spotted. Geoff Thirwell played Chaos with Morg.

carlbrown · Post by **carlbrown** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:42 am

Deathwing wrote: Here's the Res. breakdown:

Orcs 16
Skaven 10
Humans 8
Lizards 8
Welf 6
Norse 6
Dwarf 5
Delf 5
Halfling 5
Amazon 3
Undead 3
Chaos 3
C. Dwarf 1
Goblin 1
Helf 0

Cheers for this DW.

No Helfs...I think the other guys are right about taking a look at why they're not there. Although, personally, I'm surprised by how many Delf teams were present. In our exp. the Delf team really struggles at rookie level - if I had to choose between the Helf & Delf rosters I'd go with Helf in this environment.

Matt was going to take Delf but couldn't bring himself to do it as he didn't feel he'd do his team the justice they deserve (come on we all get attached to our league sides

)

He runs a really successful Delf team in our league but they're advanced now, they were pretty grim to watch in the early 'rookie' days despite him being a damn good coach IMHO.

He's probably taking humans to the BB tourn.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 10:57 am

Yeah, Helfs have to be the better starting/tourney roster, the 10K thrower difference coupled with the relative price of Witches/Lions makes Delfs considerably more expensive.
Funny how Delfs seem to be more popular. Maybe it's because the Helf figures aren't as good. Maybe there's more people out there with a sadistic streak. Who knows?

Trambi · Post by **Trambi** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:03 am

sadistic streak : yes and deep dislike of high elves

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:21 am

Il 2nd that Trambi

All Elves are a pain!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:24 am

Deathwing wrote:Yeah, Helfs have to be the better starting/tourney roster, the 10K thrower difference coupled with the relative price of Witches/Lions makes Delfs considerably more expensive.
Funny how Delfs seem to be more popular. Maybe it's because the Helf figures aren't as good. Maybe there's more people out there with a sadistic streak. Who knows?

Can't find fault with the argument - its not like you are going to take 3 or 4 blitzers in a 1 mil team, so its a question of whether you can even fit in a Lion or Witch.

Its not like either side has a decent SP either.

Slinky78 · Post by **Slinky78** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:29 am

Keeps getting better, was already concerned my inexperience would get shown up, now see that orcs are the top team choice, so my shortcomings can be further highlighted by those around me! Well, it'll have to be Orcs, as they're the only one's I'll get painted in time. Preparation isn't going so well. Being seconded to Poland until mid-february has scuppered any chance of enough practice matches, and after just getting back into it after 5-6 years out 'rusty' may not fully cover it. Just as well it's just for fun! Might have to try to work out this PBEM stuff and get it on my work computer.
Having serious trouble deciding on a line-up too, having just got used to the newer rules for my league line-ups, one offs with star players throws a big spanner in the works. My previously trusty troll now has a bad habit of standing still and drooling idiotically, and it's maybe too tempting to have Varag, but I've never enjoyed having powerful characters,be it 40k whatever, always felt more 'right' to have a load of grunts doing their best. But how right it'll feel after a 5-0 drubbing may be different. Doesn't help to see the name Carl Brown appear, as it seems awfully familiar to one attached to orc tactics in white dwarf that I read and reverred during my early teens. Maybe the only tactic is to make sure everyone gets plenty to drink saturday night then catch them napping on the Sunday...
I'm sure I had a point when I started this... other than just being scared.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:34 am

How did the sportsmanship points work at res.

I'm amazed to see Chet with 0, and without a star player to.

I guess a decidion will have to be made as to whether you want to try and win games or get sportsmanship points.

The problem being sportmanship points will do nothing for your NAF ranking, but winning games will.

it makes a mockery of it if you take a team without any stars, then get trounced by Orc/Varag, Undead/Luthor, Human/Griff combo's throughout the tourney.

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:46 am

Each person had 1 point that they would award to 1 of the people they played who they thought was the best sportsman.

Slinky78. Dont worry about it mate. Me and Tashton got tickets for res' befor we even new how to play! We had a few wks to learn the rules, paint our teams and play the game. We had 4 game before the torni and they lasted about 3-4 hrs each (constantly checking the rules).

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:47 am

While their shouldn't be any incompatibility between sportsmanship and winning, unfortunately the winner of a tournament rarely gets the highest sportsmanship score. People tend to think more favourably of players they've beaten, rather than ones who have beaten them.

As for the stars - I'd drop a mark off someone's score if they had stars on their team, and if they were scoring marks for sportsmanship, but it wouldn't impact my "favourite opponent" in any way. At the end of the day, team composition is a small factor to consider in sportsmanship.

What I look for in an opponent is a well presented and accurately represented team; a friendly, enthusiastic, genuine demeanor; and a sportsmanlike attitude to the application of the rules.

To my mind that's someone who has a decent looking team, cheers their dice rolls when they do well - without gloating, boos their dicerolls when they do poorly - without moaning, resolves any rules disputes quickly with rulebook in hand, and who makes me want to shake their hand at the end and say "great game mate", win or lose.

Everything else is secondary, really.

shaniepoo · Post by **shaniepoo** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 11:54 am

At res my point went to a guy who came with an all goblin team (no big guy). The 1st thing he said to me was
'im not here to win, just have a really good time

'
By the end of the game there was not 1 Goblin left on the field. Its people like that who make the game fun.

carlbrown · Post by **carlbrown** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:13 pm

Slinky78 wrote:My previously trusty troll now has a bad habit of standing still and drooling idiotically, and it's maybe too tempting to have Varag, but I've never enjoyed having powerful characters,be it 40k whatever, always felt more 'right' to have a load of grunts doing their best. But how right it'll feel after a 5-0 drubbing may be different. Doesn't help to see the name Carl Brown appear, as it seems awfully familiar to one attached to orc tactics in white dwarf that I read and reverred during my early teens.

Slinky - I'm looking at still taking my 'trusty troll' despite the 'iffy' reliability, it wouldn't be the same without one.

And as far as knowing how to play with orcs is concerned - a little knowledge goes a long way and they are quite a forgiving team to play with.

oh...and I do lose games, I'm in a slump in our league having lost three in a row. But then I do have a lot of cripples and nigglers on the side because I can't bring myself to retire them - sad, sentimental fool that I am

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 12:17 pm

You could take ripper bolgrot instead of a normal troll, he can then use rerolls and doesn't have really stupid, but on the flip side you can't give him block.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:15 pm

Slinky78 wrote:has scuppered any chance of enough practice matches, and after just getting back into it after 5-6 years out 'rusty' may not fully cover it. Just as well it's just for fun! Might have to try to work out this PBEM stuff and get it on my work computer.

The REBBL and WBBL has a challenge league that would do you well for getting used to the rules again. REBBL would be the better one to use as the WBBL is LRB 1.3 based but the 76 allowed rosters in the league along with the dozen of extra skills might disrupt your "training", but both joining both challenge league would give you an opportunity to play 2 games at once (I know some guys that play 5 or 6 games at the same time) which would help the training.

Plus, I'm sure some folks here wouldn't mind using a PBeM match to help you get used to a roster. I know JKL and Chet both used PBeM last year to play a sample BB Tournament rules game and try out their rosters they had picked.

Galak

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 1:22 pm

Galak, are you coming over for the blood bowl?

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