Yet another Diving Tackle question

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 11:55 am

Just getting away from dodging for a second.
An AG6 player can then pick up the ball on a 1 (+1 to pick up) =2
Right or wrong.

Furelli · Post by **Furelli** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 12:46 pm

No, because an unmodified result of a 1 is always a failure.

Furelli.

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:10 pm

So let me get this straight, from what has been said.
An AG6 player can dodge on a 1+
Yet if he rolls a 1 to pick up the ball he fails?
I think I'm going to leave this alone now

Furelli · Post by **Furelli** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:17 pm

Agility 6 players can also pick up the ball on a 1+, as well as dodge on a 1+ its just that a roll of a 1 always fails. However, if the modified result is a 1 then they would succeed.

Furelli.

Zy-Nox · Post by **Zy-Nox** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:29 pm

Furelli wrote:Agility 6 players can also pick up the ball on a 1+, as well as dodge on a 1+ its just that a roll of a 1 always fails. However, if the modified result is a 1 then they would succeed.

Furelli.

Yep your right, if the final modified score equals or beats the required roll then the player succeeds.....
for AG 6 the required roll is 1+, so if they naturally rolled a 1 they could should still succeed.But the rules say a 1 before mod is a failure, so why should they succeed if the final modified result is a 1 and not if they roll a natural 1.

Furelli · Post by **Furelli** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:33 pm

Right,

Are we argueing "should they succeed" or "do they succeed"?

If should: Yes because they need to be statistically more likely to succeed than a player with Agility 5. But this can be argued.

If do: Yes because the rules say so. See my messages above.

Furelli.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 1:43 pm

And for pete's sake folks if you have an AG 6 player don't you DESERVE to have some bonus for it.

SixFoot is you make it 1 before or after modification then there is no reason WHATSOEVER to get AG 6 since there is already no difference between AG 5 and AG 6 for passing.

I got to be honest, I don't have ANY desire to make 1 after modifications always failures .... give the Elves a breaks folks.

Nuff said.

Galak

SixFootDwarf · Post by **SixFootDwarf** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:33 pm

A break for Elves????? NEVER!

But you're right, Galak...it takes away the advantage from HIGH AG players. But if this is the case, why is throwing an exception to this? I just don't like the "well it's like this for this action, but different for that action, and a 3rd way for another action".

But oh well...I can live without it.

Vesticle · Post by **Vesticle** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 9:26 pm

Throwing is an exception, because it's the only action that has a degree of failure. On a dodge, catch, etc. roll, you either succeed or fail. On a passing roll you either succeed, fail, or fumble. Success is over the required roll, failure is under the required roll, fumble is a 1. Success is less likely with opponents breathing down your neck, failure is more likely with opponents breathing down your neck, and fumbles are more likely with opponents breathing down your neck. Therefore, in this case only, a 1 after modification matters, and it's considered a fumble.

The alternatives are:
A) No fumbles ever.
B) The same chance to fumble no matter what the situation.
C) Some completely different way to determine if a fumble occurs.

David