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doswelk wrote:

Private Feedback
This member, blue_camelot, has decided to make their feedback comments private.

This alone makes me thinks he's suspect.

Why make your feedback private except to hide things....

I dealt with blue_camelot. I bought a Lizardmen team from him back in October, and he seems to have changed his name to:
go_sell_online!

I left neutral feedback concerning his late shipping, crappy packaging, damaged models. But there was not enough space to also mention his refusal to answer e-mails and his BS about them being replacement models (like he had another of the same 12 skinks, 4 Saurus, and a Kroxigor just laying around).

Well, he may not answer e-mails, but he sure as heck answers neutral feedback with retalitory negative feedback. Then he sends me an e-mail saying we can mutually withdraw the feedback if I wish.

I told him that he should have left me positve feedback the day the auction ended and I paypalled him, and that my feedback stands.

His feedback is now visible again, and if you look through it you will see a good number of users who were succerred into his mutual withdrawl scheme.

Hi all,

>but he sure as heck answers neutral feedback with retalitory negative feedback.
Happens every friggin time on ebay.
That's why the feedback ratings are utter bollocks.
Cheers
Martin

True about sellers feedback... basically it's used as a hostage situation: sellers will only give feedback once you do... which is ridiculous!

And you've found out the easy way to abuse the buyer....

Upon taking this up on their forum, sellers lambasted me saying THEY were the victims if they left feedback first....

So....

I don't give feedback lest I get it first since I've done all I can by quickly paying the seller....

That's a 2 edged sword vomit.

I personally only leave feedback once i have recieved feedback.
1 - It tells me the bloke has got the item.
2 - It saves me getting burnt buy dodgy buyers. I used to leave feedback first until i had a few arsey buyers. 1 claimed to have not recieved the item, so i refunded the item. She left negative feedback, and 2 weeks later was offering the same rare fig that she "Hadn't recieved!!" Another claimed i was recasting and selling fakes. Did he return the figures? Nope, but left negative feedback after i had left positive, plus a refund.

I'm 100% behind what Hoomin said. The buyers are terrible (not all of course but you have to protect yourself from all of them till you know otherwise) and they play unscrupulous games with sellers.

I don't believe a buyers responsibility is over after receiving payment. The buyers responsibility is over once they've notified the seller that they have received the item and whether they are happy with it or have any problems. Feedback is a great way to let a seller know you're happy with the purpose. You can't lambast a seller till they've had an opportunity to resolve your problem if you had one.

I'm not like Hoomin. If you're a stranger. I will not refund your money if you claim to have not received your item. There's simply no way for you to prove you didn't receive it and I've mailed somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 items and only had one go missing that I sent and it showed up out-of-the-blue 3 months later. (for the record it was a minimal value and I happened to have had another identical item so I replaced it. It's postage was more than what I was paid for the item.) I HAVE had items supposedly mailed to me that I never received but I think that was the seller being bad (2 were Canadian and one was inthe UK). It does happen.

There are good sellers and bad sellers as there are good and bad buyers. This is a bad seller and we need to know stuff like this. It's not always so cut and dry. I'm 100% legitimate and I've run auctions using the same picture on similar items. Some of you guys would flag as me being a recaster.

hoomin_erra wrote:That's a 2 edged sword vomit.

I personally only leave feedback once i have recieved feedback.
1 - It tells me the bloke has got the item.
2 - It saves me getting burnt buy dodgy buyers. I used to leave feedback first until i had a few arsey buyers. 1 claimed to have not recieved the item, so i refunded the item. She left negative feedback, and 2 weeks later was offering the same rare fig that she "Hadn't recieved!!" Another claimed i was recasting and selling fakes. Did he return the figures? Nope, but left negative feedback after i had left positive, plus a refund.

Yes, that's the same as when I sell. I do it for a third reason. If there's any issues with the lot then I can try to resolve them for the buyer before it gets to the stupid feedback stage and things get arsey.

I've only had one neutral feedback and nothing negative so far and the issue the neutral could have been fixed if the guy had bothered to contact me - as the mail service damaged the item and I would have replaced it if he was willing to send the original back (at my cost). He also claimed I was late in delivery despite the fact that he was very late paying (which was what caused the delay). But he jumped straight to feedback instead of bothering to communicate with me.

I left positive feedback with snarky comments about poor communication instead.

So I put on my lots these days that I leave feedback after the buyer so any issues with the item can be sorted out. I can hardly call them a good ebayer if they jump straight to negative feedbacking without trying to be a decent buyer first can I?

Snew wrote:I'm not like Hoomin. If you're a stranger. I will not refund your money if you claim to have not received your item. There's simply no way for you to prove you didn't receive it and I've mailed somewhere in the neighborhood of 1000 items and only had one go missing that I sent and it showed up out-of-the-blue 3 months later. (for the record it was a minimal value and I happened to have had another identical item so I replaced it. It's postage was more than what I was paid for the item.) I HAVE had items supposedly mailed to me that I never received but I think that was the seller being bad (2 were Canadian and one was inthe UK). It does happen.

I won't refund either. I will only send things recorded delivery if asked to (I try not to make the starting p&p excessive anyway), and if not, there is no refund offered.

I must just be lucky in my dealings with Ebayers (even Hoomin), I have never had any issues.

voyagers_uk wrote:I must just be lucky in my dealings with Ebayers (even Hoomin), I have never had any issues.

Over 250 transactions without a problem here... until I sold something a couple weeks ago. After 3 attempts to contact the winning bidder over the next 9 days, both through eBay messaging and via direct email, I began the Unpaid Item process to get my listing and final value fees back so I can relist it; unsurprisingly, he hasn't yet responded to that, either.

But you know what? I'd love it if he just paid me know, I sent him his item and that was the end of it, skipping all the relist hassle, etc. However, if he does pay me, I most certainly wouldn't leave any feedback for him until after he's confirmed he got it and everything was OK.

I actually have something that I won on a buy-it-now that I have yet to pay for as my home pc is down and I cannott access paypal from work.

I am communicating often with the seller and hope to keep the good vibe through to the end of the transaction.

voyagers_uk wrote:I actually have something that I won on a buy-it-now that I have yet to pay for as my home pc is down and I cannott access paypal from work.

I am communicating often with the seller and hope to keep the good vibe through to the end of the transaction.

See, I'd have no problem with that as a seller, as long as the buyer was staying in touch and letting me know what was going on. I've let someone take 2.5 weeks to pay before because they kept me in the loop. But when 1.5 weeks of repeated contact attempts on my end went by without one single reply from the buyer, I felt I'd cut more than enough slack.

I had an interesting ebay communication recently - someone mailed me claiming to want to interrupt the bidding on an item that was due to end (another set of BB) and that I should wire them the cash and they'd sort it out. Somehow they managed to get to send me an email about an item I had bid on yet the address they sent it to was not the one that I have linked to ebay. They were also Romanian and the BB following in that part of the world is probably not enormous.

voyagers_uk wrote:I must just be lucky in my dealings with Ebayers (even Hoomin), I have never had any issues.

Not lucky. Most eBayers are GREAT. It's the few bad eggs that tarnish an otherwise pleasant place.

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