On behalf of Shadowforge miniatures...

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:19 am

Message reads:

Thanks to the efforts of a concerned European gamer both myself and Paul Ashton from
Amazon Miniatures have discovered someone on Ebay selling recasts of our miniatures.
I have absolute proof of this in my possession - 5 recast miniatures.

The seller in question is Peter Kerestan from Nevada, trading under the name of
Weewarriors.

Both Paul and I have contacted him by email. In Paul's case it was to inquire how he
could offer multiple sales of Amazon miniatures whereas he had only purchased one
each of these same miniatures from Amazon some time previously. For myself I ordered
him to cease and desist from selling recasts of our miniatures and demanded an
undertaking that he did not do so in the future. Neither Paul or I are satisfied
with the response we received.

I have passed on this information to Ebay and now wait to see what action, if any,
they take over this matter.

Recasting is destructive to the hobby. It hurts everyone, including major companies
like GW and even more so for smaller ones such as Shadowforge and Amazon. Recasting
is counterfeiting, theft of intellectual property rights. In my own case, as a
sculptor, it is especially hurtful and also bloody infuriating. There is the
question of an immediate loss of income, but it goes further than this. The recasts
are poor quality; anyone buying them could believe that our entire product range was
the same. Once one person thinks this it does not take long before others do so too.
Any reputation for good quality product thus gets tarnished and future sales
jeopardised.

I do not say that Weewarriors will sell recasts of Shadowforge or Amazon miniatures
again but both Paul Ashton and I would appreciate it if all concerned gamers kept an
eye on any sales where miniatures are offered for sale loose and unpacked,
especially on EBay. If anyone feels that something looks suspicious, please pass
that information on to us or any other manufacturer who could be involved.

Neil Holloway

Shadowforge Miniatures

The miniatures in question are five assorted cheerleader models.

Just keeping you in the loop, please don't support recasting!

Tritex · Post by **Tritex** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:01 am

Very bad news for all! Especially for smaller companies like Shadowforge who could lose considerable sales with this and damage future production.

I will keep an eye out!

Tritex · Post by **Tritex** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:02 am

P.S - you have posted the thread twice. may dilute the message.

Eggball · Post by **Eggball** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 9:28 pm

Thanks for bringing this to the attention of the TBB community. Neil from Shadowforge and others have raised very valid points on why recasting sucks and is hurtful to manufacturers. If you don't care about that, then from a purely selfish standpoint, consider the fact that recasters aren't known for their morals and thus you may get burned by them, especially on eBay. They have been known to get their cohorts to pretend to bid so as to artificially inflate the auction price. And if they get shut down by the authorities, it's unlikely you'll ever get that recast mini you bid on.