NAF Black Block dice!

[Darkson]

Black and gold dice with the NAF logo replacing one of the faces? Great idea - shows it's a "2nd edition" black dice, but I think it's not allowed by GW.
Just remaking the black & gold - bad idea, and one that would seriously pi$$ me off.

[mattwhile]

I do think black ones with silver inlay would keep everyone happy.

[GalakStarscraper]

I do think black ones with silver inlay would keep everyone happy.

Yup right up until the first people realized how easy it would be to use them to make fraudelent copies of the Black w/Gold dice and head off to Ebay.

Galak

[Lickety Split]

Who cares? The NAF is a dice making orgainzation. It's about all they offer to the community. The main reason for existance seems to be to try and show GW that the community is big. You just said yourself that the dice are how they make more money and get those memberships. Give the people what they want. It's just manipulating of numbers anyway.

[GalakStarscraper]

Who cares? The NAF is a dice making orgainzation. It's about all they offer to the community.

Steve if you are going to stay part of a forum for a game you have no interest in at least keep up on current events with your slams.

Just last October the NAF organized the largest Blood Bowl ever held.

And just last month the NAF negotiated successfully with the GW to add expansion packs to their store to offset the loss of the individual figures from their store.

Galak

[Lickety Split]

You really have to quit thinking you know anything about me. Your PMs have shown you are completely clueless about me so just stop.

Here's a newsflash. I knew all that. I don't think it's that big of a deal. It did show a passionate community though and if you read what I wrote I credited them with that. They showed numbers. They got expansion packs. "They" didn't do it. No matter what you think. "They" only have any credibility because they have this "huge" member base. The community did it. If anyone could have talked to them and been able to prove proof of interest "anyone" could have done the same thing.

It's perspective. We all need some. Some more than others. It's my observation that you may be too close to this subject to think about it properly. Take a break. Be careful though. Step back too far and you may realize that this isn't a lifestyle. It's a game. Give me a little credit and believe that's what happened to me.

[civilian_number_two]

I do think black ones with silver inlay would keep everyone happy.

Yup right up until the first people realized how easy it would be to use them to make fraudelent copies of the Black w/Gold dice and head off to Ebay.

Galak

Well that's a danger with anything, yeah? If NAF released Black and Silver dice, and some folks tried to pass them of as Black and Gold, and some folks got ripped off trying to collect the older set, well that's the way of the world. Originally you were saying that in order to respect the collector's wishes, NAF should not reissue the Black and Gold dice. NOW you're saying they should also be careful out of respect for the dumb rubes who get taken on eBay.

In a few years NAF will be out of colours to make dice with. They'll be putting out Teal and Aquamarine and Cerulean, saying "well, they're not exactly Blue ... " I doubt by then even your collectors will be interestd (pssst, NAF! Put out RED!). Maybe once the collectors have given up, it'll be safe to reissue Black and Gold.

Nah, I'm just kidding. There's still the marbled efects, and the gem dice, and so on. They have some options. How about a Black/Grey marbled die with Silver inlay?

[GalakStarscraper]

Well that's a danger with anything, yeah? If NAF released Black and Silver dice, and some folks tried to pass them of as Black and Gold, and some folks got ripped off trying to collect the older set, well that's the way of the world. Originally you were saying that in order to respect the collector's wishes, NAF should not reissue the Black and Gold dice. NOW you're saying they should also be careful out of respect for the dumb rubes who get taken on eBay.

Should have been more specific. I'd much rather see the NAF reissue Black w/Gold than Black w/another colour inlay.

Personally .... for me I'd be happy if just the Black colour was left retired. When the NAF first started ... I had no idea there would be more colours. I was under the impression that we had a year to get these special dice as part of our membership ... (ie they were a really big deal) ... and they were a big deal because the NAF wanted something really cool to get folks to pay to join their new organization.

Once the 2nd colour set was printed ... it was apparent that the dice thing was not just a one year thing. So I agree that at that point .... the expectation started to change and I can see the case made that folks could/should start to see that the dice were not necessarily the collectibles.

But that first set of dice ... they had collectibility used to market them and for that reason I'd like to see that respected.

I'd like to see the NAF retire black and make a statement on their website that colours can be reused so that there is no question on the collectiblity front. I'd be perfectly fine with that personally.

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And Steve (aka Lickety Split) ... I deleted a long post ... suffice to say if you honestly believe that the World Cup and getting the BB Expansion packs could have been done by anyone outside of the NAF ... you are more out of touch with reality than I thought you were and you belittle their efforts that were not something "anyone" could have done with your nonsense.

Galak

[Colin]

Let's face it Tom, it all comes down to personal opinion. You look at the black dice as something special, that's great. Others may just see them as dice, coloured, but just dice used to play the game. The only thing that the coloured dice does is save someone time going out to the garage and spray painting his dice a colour he wants and rubbing some contrasting colour in the symbol grooves.
You're dice are special to you, and they always will be whether or not black ones are reissued or not, you know YOURS are one of the first batch ever isssued and they will remain special to you. As you say you don't intend to sell them, the NAF reissuing black dice shouldn't make any difference. Let's face it, the original black ones weren't that great, the gold was fairly dark and a bit hard to see and rubbed off fairly quickly with use, as well as the fact many people (including me and others in my league that I've let borrow them) have experienced the problem that they don't roll very random, a bit too many skulls come up, suggesting they're not really well balanced. Regardless of these shortcomings, they are still special to you as being the first NAF dice that were issued.
Does that mean that the NAF should never reissue black dice? I really don't see how, yours still remain special to you, others just look at them as dice and have repainted the faded gold markings. Black is probably the most popular colour, so I can't agree with only banning the reissue of black just because anyone can paint the symbols gold. Anyone can paint dice black with gold markings and flog them on ebay if they wished. Nothing anyone can do to stop that.
The NAF should recycle the colours, maybe with didfferent symbol colours, but even black with gold would be ok, if they improved on the original and made the gold very bright and easier to read (and thus would be different from the first ones anyway).
My opinion, which is in contrast to yours, is that dice are dice and if the NAF wanted to issue "special" dice they'd have to do more than just get a different paintjob on standard dice (as I've said, something anyone could do at home anyway), maybe issuing dice with an NAF symbol for a POW (or skull, whatever), would make them speicial NAF dice no matter the colour.
So I say, go ahead Dave and reissue black coloured dice, if that's what the most people want, then do it.
I think I'll go out to the garage and spray paint some white dice a nice shiny gold colour and put some black paint on the symbols (well maybe red might look more cool). They'd definately be one of a kind, but in the end they're just dice and used to play the game.
Don't take this as a personal attack, just wanted to show there are differences of opinion out there, you may believe the black ones are collectables, otheres may not, but in the end their still special to you and that's all that counts whether there are new black dice or not (as you will always know your's are from the first batch).

Geez, didn't mean to go on so long, anyway, we can agree to disagree.

[Lickety Split]

And Steve (aka Lickety Split) ... I deleted a long post ... suffice to say if you honestly believe that the World Cup and getting the BB Expansion packs could have been done by anyone outside of the NAF ... you are more out of touch with reality than I thought you were and you belittle their efforts that were not something "anyone" could have done with your nonsense.

Galak

... know the right people.... yes.

I'm starting to get the impression you don't like me. Why do you have to get so personal when you reply to me? Your little "out of touch with reality" "bitter and sad" and such quips are starting to bug me.

[civilian_number_two]

I won't completely agree with Galak that "only the NAF" could have hosted a tournament the size of World Cup, but I do agree that it's nonsense to think it could have been done by "anyone." I've run tournaments myself. You can't just hold an event and assume that because there's a large group of potential clients that they'll all just show up. There's a lot of organization, advertising, ... well I should just suggest you try to run an event, one that nobody is compelled to attend, and see what effort it is. And if you think the only reason they got so many folks is because they have a large member base, well that's the payoff for having run successful events in the past, for maintaining a website to keep its community together, and for having worked consistently at it for what is it now? 5 years?

I don't see that as something "anyone" could have done.

[Colin]

My post was a little long and I wouldn't be surprised if no one read the whole thing. Just to show I wasn't being a complete ass when I made the comment about going out and painting up some gold dice, here's a pic. I think they look quite good.



Couldn't decide on what colour to paint the symbols so used a different colour for each symbol. Black for Skull, Dark red for Skull/Pow, green and blue for Pushbacks, Purple for POW!, and bright red for POW.

Now, I'm the Man with the Golden Dice.

[Ender]

The gold and black is cool.

IMO that should be the next color.

But what do I know, I don't play Blood Bowl.

[Stout Youngblood]

Its amazing, I did the same thing but with gold and red.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stoutyoungblood/

[Lickety Split]

I salute you Torg.