Vampires post RR2003

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 10:03 pm

Particularly with reference to the change of Hypnotic Gaze, what's wrong with:

0-12 Thralls  40k  6 3 3 7 - {G}
0-6  Vampires 140k 6 4 4 8 Regenerate, Hypnotic Gaze {GAS}

Re-rolls = 70k

Players with ST 4 and AG 4 are scary as hell, fair enough. But you are paying the gc for that ability, and with no apothecary to keep 'em alive (undead?). I mean, a vamp costs twice as much as a HE lineman who is only one advance away from an identical statline. I just don't see how they would be unbalanced. The thralls are still a liability.

BTW, 140k is the price according to the cost formula

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Thu Nov 27, 2003 11:03 pm

I think this looks quite balanced.
I've thought the same thing.

I also know that soon you'll be hearing "ST4 + AG4" is soooo good.
Martin

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 2:24 am

plasmoid wrote:I also know that soon you'll be hearing "ST4 + AG4" is soooo good.
Martin

Because it IS Martin. Maybe not in your league ... but d*mn it I cleaned up with this type of Vampire team in my league and the MBBL2 has repeated shown that ST 4/AG 4 teams are just superior. Your league doesn't show it I know ... but a lot of others do.

Galak

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:37 am

Don't think you need results from any league to figure out that ST4 AG4 is way too good, quite obvious. I just wonder why there wasn''t an alternative OFAB introduced as experimental in the RR to balance off the changes to pro and HG (that look like they will really hurt vamp teams). My first impression is that these changes with COFAB will make the vamps too weak of a team, but as I say, that's my first impression, won't really know until I have a chance to play the team with these changes.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:48 am

Torg wrote:Don't think you need results from any league to figure out that ST4 AG4 is way too good, quite obvious. I just wonder why there wasn''t an alternative OFAB introduced as experimental in the RR to balance off the changes to pro and HG (that look like they will really hurt vamp teams). My first impression is that these changes with COFAB will make the vamps too weak of a team, but as I say, that's my first impression, won't really know until I have a chance to play the team with these changes.

Its coming. A new version of OFAB will be one of the first items in the playtest vault when it goes live in a couple weeks. The vampire team is way to underpowered with the current OFAB.

Galak

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:58 am

Thanks Galak, that's good to hear. Like I said, it seems strange that a new OFAB wasn't introduced in the RR instead of waiting, but that's no big deal, eagerly await the openning of the playtest vault.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:18 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:Its coming. A new version of OFAB will be one of the first items in the playtest vault when it goes live in a couple weeks. The vampire team is way to underpowered with the current OFAB.

That is good news. It's hard to judge what would balance a team with up to 6 players of this caliber, but it will be good to see what the playtest suggestions are.

I really hope the Vault is going to let us have some idea about what the BBRC is thinking about instead of having the information dribble out to us a little bit of a time.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:03 am

ST4 and AG4 are sooo good. How can I say that? Well, even with the (C)OFAB negatrait I've managed a winning season with them!

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:37 am

That's probably why they are being nerfed, probably was felt that they were still too good as they were even with COFAB.

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:23 am

Also the going rate doesn't factor in the fact that Vampires have access to both Strength and Agility skills. Something that has been considered taboo until now.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:28 am

It's too bad people are so wedded to the idea of 4 agility Vampires. I think that they would be pretty balaned with 3 agility, even with the old Hippie Gaze.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:30 am

Darkson wrote:ST4 and AG4 are sooo good. How can I say that? Well, even with the (C)OFAB negatrait I've managed a winning season with them!

And Joe almost made the playoffs with the team for this season of the MBBL. So they were definitely competitive.

I really don't know what the test vault version will look like.

Galak

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:33 pm

I've changed my mind, simply because Plasmoid agreed with me, which never happens. ST & AG 4 is too good. Glad to hear of a replacement for COFAB.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun Nov 30, 2003 8:15 pm

I'm not cause i don't see what was wrong with the old version and i am yet to hear an arguement of why they needed to be changed. Making pro a trait took a bit from them but as i see they were balanced anyway i am somewhat stumped

I shall certainly be making my voice heard in the playtesters vault

i was going to take vampires to the blood bowl next year but since they are still experimental i can't do that, while the elves were changed and still make official

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:07 pm

On the bright side though they are still experimental and so could be changed back.

If they'd been made official now they would be the final toned down official version that you'd be stuck with forever.