Khornate Daemon Team

Nerevar · Post by **Nerevar** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:46 am

Ok here goes!

Position Cost MA ST AG AV Skills Traits Skill Availibility
0-12 Beastmen 60k 6 3 3 8 - Horns G, St, Phy
0-4 Bloodletters 110k 5 4 2 9 Block Horns G, St, Phy

Big Guy

0-1 Bloodthrister 140k 5 6 2 10 M.Blow Horns G, St, Phy
Big Guy
Thick Skull
Bonehead
Stand Firm

Rerolls: 70k

Apothecary: ? (maybe for the beastmen only)

Here was the original team
http://www.blood-bowl.net/GWTeams/Khorne.html

I felt that using unique skills/traits would take away from the game, despite the ever present CHEESE factor; as you can see I tried to make them as fair as I could.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:40 am

0-16 Marauders 6 3 3 7 Frenzy 50K Gen, Phys
0-4 Khornate Warriors 5 4 2 9 Tackle 110K Gen St, Phys
0-2 Bloodletters 7 3 3 8 RS Clwz 100K Gen Ag, Phys

0-1 Chaos Spawn (D6) 6 2 9 Wild Animal, Frenzy, Mighty Blow, Chaotic*
130K Gen, St, Phys
Re-rolls 60K
May not freeboot wizards

*Chaotic- This player is touched by the gods of chaos and therefore can take Physical Abilities on skill rolls that are not doubles. Also his movement is unpredictable and random. To determine where he moves place the throw-in template over his head so that the 3-4 result is pointed directly towards one of the end zones. (You must use all of his MA.) If he enters an occupied square the Spawn will throw a block on the player, whether he be friend or foe. (This does not count as a team’s blitz for the turn)

How's that?

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:45 am

Looks interesting, but why do you have RRs at 60K, kinda cheap IMO, should be at least 70K.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:48 am

Oops, that part was copied and pasted from another Chaos Team I was wrking on.

Yeah I'd say 70K at least. Probably more like 80K since they have nasty blitzers and badass blockers.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 5:48 am

Yeah, kinda what I was thinking.

Nerevar · Post by **Nerevar** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:14 am

Well is anbody gonna critique my new team, or does everybody just post their ideas without thought

Great site!

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:45 am

Okay fine. I'll critique it.

Nerevar wrote: Position Cost MA ST AG AV Skills Traits Skill Availibility
0-12 Beastmen 60k 6 3 3 8 - Horns G, St, Phy
0-4 Bloodletters 110k 5 4 2 9 Block Horns G, St, Phy

Problem #1. Only 16 player positions available. All teams will look the same. Boring.
Problem #2. Bloodletters are ST 4 with Block and Horns. This is a huge no-no and nobody will take it seriously until you get rid of that. ST 4 (and especially ST 5) can not start with Block. Not only that but the price is waaaay too cheap. Should be around 150K

Nerevar wrote:Big Guy

0-1 Bloodthrister 140k 5 6 2 10 M.Blow Horns G, St, Phy
Big Guy
Thick Skull
Bonehead
Stand Firm

Horns and ST 6? Yeah, this is way over the top. Not only that but you give him Thick Skull and AV 10

This guy will never leave the pitch and is a bargain at 150K. What system are you using to price these? Toss in Stand Firm and this guy will win the whole match for you. Get him Block and he's gonna throw your league into chaos. (pun intended)

Nerevar wrote: Rerolls: 70k

From the way the rest of the team looks I'd make the rerolls about 300K.
They won't need them anyway because after one turn the other team will be down to 8 or 9 players.

Nerevar wrote:Apothecary: ? (maybe for the beastmen only)

Serious? Wow.

Nerevar wrote:I felt that using unique skills/traits would take away from the game, despite the ever present CHEESE factor; as you can see I tried to make them as fair as I could.

You did? Is this your first team?
Not trying to be offensive but this is way off the deep end.
Play test it and you'll see.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 8:40 am

DL's wording may be a bit aggressive, but basically he's saying what I was also thinking...

R

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:04 am

I think you need the unique skills/traits to balance the team. As one of the 2 Khornite daemon coaches in the MBBL2 they're pretty balanced in that environment IMO.
Overall: Daemon - Khorne P23 W12 L11 T0 52.17% Actually that's slightly skewed because one of those wins was awarded on a disqualification, so if we discount that game they're at exactly 50%.

However, without the unique negatraits and on-pitch spellcaster rules I think you have a very hard time trying to come up with a balanced 'thrister..he'd have to be toned down to such an extent that he wouldn't be a 'thirster anymore.

Dark Lord (retired) · Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:04 am

I guess I need sensitivity training.

You know what's really funny is that in person I'm very likable and fun loving. (Well, I still have a big mouth but it comes off funnier in person.)

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:37 am

Hi Nerevar,
I think that the basic team looks pretty sensible - it looks like it was based off the standard chaos roster, which works OK. The big guy is a bit too good. Making him a wild animal and lowering his AV might help.

Cutting the Blodletters back to AV8 would also make it more acceptable that they are ST4 players with block. I don't agree that ST4+block is a big no-no as long as the rest of the team is balanced.

Personally I too would prefer to see a daemon team without the special daemon traits. On the other hand I don't think we need a team representing each chaos power.
Cheers
Martin

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 1:52 pm

St 4 + Block is one of the fundamental no-no's for creating new rosters.

I like DL's Marauder idea. You could have different skills depending on the chaos god. Maybe Pro for Tzeentch, Horns or FA for Nurgle, Thick Skull or HypnoGaze for Slaanesh.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 2:14 pm

Deathwing wrote:I think you need the unique skills/traits to balance the team. As one of the 2 Khornite daemon coaches in the MBBL2 they're pretty balanced in that environment IMO.
Overall: Daemon - Khorne P23 W12 L11 T0 52.17% Actually that's slightly skewed because one of those wins was awarded on a disqualification, so if we discount that game they're at exactly 50%.

Thanks DW ... I'm not getting involved with this because the MBBL2 has been working on and playtesting the Khorne team for 3 years ... I'm pretty darn happy where we ended up at this point.

Plasmoid and I both have firm beliefs in team creation. I will say without hesistation that ST 4 and Block on any player in a team is a broken starting point. After more games than I can count of trying to have a team with this mix and failing to find one that was balanced, I have zero issue with automatically discounting any new team that has ST 4 Block on a starting roster player.

Galak

Dangerous Dave · Post by **Dangerous Dave** » Tue Nov 25, 2003 10:22 pm

Not even a Storm Giant with ST 6 AND Block!

Dave

PS just kidding - there are a number of reasons why this works!

Nerevar · Post by **Nerevar** » Wed Nov 26, 2003 9:23 am

Thanx for the inpoint guys. Unfortunately I've never seen any form of roster formula, still new to the game. K how's this.

Position Cost MA ST AG AV Skills Traits Skill Availibility
0-12 Beastmen 60k 6 3 3 8 - Horns G, St, Phy
0-4 Bloodletters 120k 5 4 2 8 - Horns G, St, Phy

Big Guy

0-1 Bloodthrister 150k 5 6 2 9 M.Blow Horns G, St, Phy
Big Guy
Bonehead

Rerolls: ?

Apothecary: N/A (Khorne cares not from where the blood flows!)

Wizard: N/A (ahem... Khorne the WARRIOR god!)

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