Talk Fantasy Football

CHANGES
* You no longer purchase fan factor at team creation.
* You may no longer purchase or receive bonus cheerleaders.
* There is no more Fan Factor roll at the end of the match.
* There is a new kickoff table, shown below.
* Fan Factor is no longer counted towards team rating.

FAN FACTOR:

On team creation you are given 9 points of fan factor (you do not need to spend any gold for this). You must divide the Fan Factor points amongst the following three fan Factor types, you may not assign more than 5 points to any one type and each type must have at least 1 point spent on it.

Chant: This determines how well the fans chant and yell to inspire the team and put off the opponents, typically Elven teams are high chant rated. This rating takes affect during kickoffs. You can represent the Chant characteristic with some cheerleaders at the side of the board.

Hooliganism: How much the fans want a piece of the action.. Up close and personal. Hooligans normally associate themselves with Orc and Goblin style teams, though such infamous Human teams as the 'Flourmill Walls' have been known to have exceptionally thuggish fans. This rating takes affect during kickoffs. You can represent the Hooliganism characteristic with some hooligans and other converted thugs at the side of the board.

Loyalty: How loyal the fans remain to the team and are likely to turn up to matches. This rating takes place before the match, roll 1d6 for each point of Loyalty and multiply the result by 1,000 to find out the number of fans that show up for the match.

(example: The coach of the newly formed Wood Elf team 'Tanglefoot Thistles' decides that his team needs money to afford those expensive players, so he puts the maximum 5 points of Fan Factor into the fans loyalty rating. He also decides that since he will be facing a lot of Chaos, Undead and other teams that like to bash your face in he'll take 3 points in Hooliganism to hopefully counter the actions of those unsportsmanlike teams. Finally he puts the last point in Chant, hoping that his teams naturally ability will see them through. The team ends with C:1 H:3 L:5)

INCREASING FAN FACTOR:
Once (and only once in the teams history) the team reaches 151 (professional status) and 201 (major status) points of Team Rating they receive 3 more points of Fan Factor to spend, though they may not spend more than 2 points on any one rating.

(example: After a few games, the Tanglefoot Thistles have become a professional team and have an additional 3 points of fan factor to distribute. He immediately puts 2 points into Loyalty to help the cash flow problems and then adds the other point into his teams Chant rating putting the team at C:2 H:3 L:7. After a few more game the Thistles are now a major team! The team gets the final three points of fan factor to distribute. He's noticed that now he's playing tougher teams, he is really suffering against those with high chant and hooligans and decides that to remain competive he must improve the teams Chant or Hooliganism. Remembering a crushing defeat agains the Dwarf team 'Anvilhead Smiths' he decides to put all three points into the Chant characteristic hoping that the bonus re-rolls will come his way. The team now has C:5 H:3 L:7)

CHANGING YOUR FAN FACTOR:
After a match, teams may spend 20,000 gold on appropriate merchandise (rocks for hooligans, advertising to bring in more fans and flamboyant music for those that like to chant etc) to move one point of fan factor from one characterstic to another. However, no characterstic may go above 9 or below 1.

(example: After a disasterous season, the Thistles are looking crippled. The star Wardancer was killed by a minotaur and the team is suffering niggling injuries throughout. The head coach has 40,000 gold in the bank he was hoping to save up to buy a new wardancer, but has now decided that he'd be better in the long run to get more fans interested in the team so he spends all 40,000 gold on advertising and merchandise for the team moving two points of Hooliganism to Loyalty. Finally the team has settled on C:5 H:1 L:9 and a prayer to Nuffle for no hooligans to turn up for the opposition next season.)

NEW KICKOFF TABLE:

2: INSPIRING CHEER: Roll 1d6, add Chant. Highest will not suffer a turnover for failed actions for the first d3 turns after the kickoff. A failed action will still end a players move however.
3: GET THE REF: Roll 1d6, add Hooliganism. Highest gets no penalties.
4: DEFEANING CHANT: Roll d6, add Chant. Lowest may not use any re-rolls until the next kickoff.
5: BLITZ!: One player on the kicking team may take a free action before the receiving team.
6: BAD KICK: The ball scatters 2d6.
7: CHANGING WEATHER: Make a new roll on the weather table and apply the result immediately.
8: QUCK SNAP: Players of receiving team can move 1 square.
9: BRILLIANT COACHING: Roll d6, add coaches. Highest gets bonus reroll for half. Reroll ties.
10: THROW A ROCK: Roll 1d6, add Hooliganism. Make injury roll for one randomly selected player of lowest.
11: CHEERING FANS: Roll 1d6, add Chant. Highest gets bonus reroll for half.
12: PITCH INVASION: Refer to Pitch Invasion rules below.

Pitch Invasions!
When a pitch invasion occurs, each coach rolls 1d6 and adds the teams Hooliganism rating, the winning teams fans invade the pitch, if the result is a tie then both teams invade the pitch. Each coach may decide to run none, some or all of his players back into the dugout to avoid the fans. If some or all the players are kept on the field, the coach may roll 2d6+Players Strength to calculate how many fans the player kills. You may add 1 to the result for Mighty Blow, and 2 to the result for each of Claw or Razor Sharp Fangs. Though subtract 1 from the result for Stunty. If the result is 10 or more then the player may add 1spp to his total for the match (just add it to the completions column).

However, any players that stay out to fight must make an armour roll which if failed results in an injury roll as usual with any affects happening immediately and no apothecary able to be used. Ignore stunned result. KO'd players make the KO roll at the NEXT kickoff, not right after the pitch invasion.

If a team runs all players back into the dugout, then they will lose one re-roll due to a total mess in organisation as they come back out, if the team has no re-rolls to lose, then the opposition gain a re-roll for this half only.

Ithilkir wrote:Once (and only once in the teams history) the team reaches 151 (professional status) and 201 (major status) points of Team Rating they receive 3 more points of Fan Factor to spend, though they may not spend more than 2 points on any one rating.

(example: After a few games, the Tanglefoot Thistles have become a professional team and have an additional 3 points of fan factor to distribute. He immediately puts 2 points into Loyalty to help the cash flow problems and then adds the other point into his teams Chant rating putting the team at C:2 H:3 L:7. After a few more game the Thistles are now a major team! The team gets the final three points of fan factor to distribute. He's noticed that now he's playing tougher teams, he is really suffering against those with high chant and hooligans and decides that to remain competive he must improve the teams Chant or Hooliganism. Remembering a crushing defeat agains the Dwarf team 'Anvilhead Smiths' he decides to put all three points into the Chant characteristic hoping that the bonus re-rolls will come his way. The team now has C:5 H:3 L:7)

Aside of this minor indifference, I think it's superb! The only thing that I miss is the reflection of the fact that when you play badly the fans may become disgusted (and vice versa). You handled this by TR 151 and 201, but the mechanic now solves this and I like that. Although it's quite broken as well, see my post about new FF rules.

I agree with the fact that every tea, shopuld have the same starting FF.

However it shoyuld be payed for, maybe leveled out at 5 and adjustment made to the winnings to cater for it. Plus i think FF still needs to have a chance of changing at the end as a direct result of how well/poorly the team played

In an ideal world I would also like to see all teams start with the same level of FF and have to earn the extra as a result of playing well.

However like McDeth says this would involve adjusting the winnings table and as this seems to be balanced and working, maybe its best not to fix what ain't broke.

I don't see a problem with the current ff rules

Now my friend, if I was not an old guard I would say that youve knicked the FF idea from 1st ed! Not that I don't like it it, but I agree that I don't see much wrong with the current rules. However, I do like the idea that some teams are better supported than others and some are more violent than others. Take west ham for example.

The whole thing is brilliant, but I don´t like the PI-rules. In fact a coach can reduce the whole PI result to a single knockdown of a lino, who gets a SPP on a roll of 7+.
I would say, that the coach can run, but then he has to roll a 2+ for every player. On a one he is caught by the angry crowd an beaten up -> injuryroll. He can decide to fight, and if he does so he rolls 2d6 and adds his players strenght. If he manages to beat the opponent strenght (sum) plus the hooliganfactor (HF), his team remains on the pitch mainly unharmed and gets an additional MVP. If he failes the roll, he has to make injury-rolls for HF/2 random players on the pitch.

I would also add a possibilty to change the FF.
After a match roll a D6. Add +2 for a win, -2 for a loss, -1 if you didn´t score at all, -1 if you didn´t cause a cas, +1 for every 2 cas caused and + 1 for every 2 TDs scored. If you don´t beat on a 3 or below, your FanFactor drops, on a 7+, your Fanfactor rises. The rule of natural 1 or 6 does NOT apply.
If your Fanfactor changes, substract your cas from the TDs. If you are below -1, you get more hooligans or less chanters, if you scored 2 more TDs, than you caused cas, your Chantfactor rises or your HF goes down and between -1 and +1, your loalityfactor changes.

Circular_Logic wrote:I would also add a possibilty to change the FF.
After a match roll a D6. Add +2 for a win, -2 for a loss, -1 if you didn´t score at all, -1 if you didn´t cause a cas, +1 for every 2 cas caused and + 1 for every 2 TDs scored. If you don´t beat on a 3 or below, your FanFactor drops, on a 7+, your Fanfactor rises. The rule of natural 1 or 6 does NOT apply.

Something like this could apply to the general FF rules. I proposed something similar, a -1 to the roll for each 2 TDs received, but to no great reaction.

sorry think I missed the point why change FF rules? surely if each team is better with 9ff then they will buy it. Everyteam is better with a rereoll (at least) but have to pay out of the starting 100k. If for changing kick off makes more sense, but dont think need to change ff to achieve this

The point is to actually DECREASE the chance of FF falling if you play well during the match and vice versa. Now it is a flat 1 in 6 no matter how well you play.

Whats wrong with that? Supporters are fickle. FF is fine as it stands. Would any changes impact on Galaks negative winnings idea?

Right understand your aim better, but the more vareity the better. Some teams currently have 13 FF some only 6 in my league, so this is one of the few varied elements in the game. Is very good for inital 6 games for income but mid term not as effective. When a team pushes 230tr plus they will win anyway, therefore it is only good for growth of income at start of league, has little effect in game.