a second Goblin Team

trautz · Post by **trautz** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 1:49 am

first: hi all , i'm new

I think pictures say more than words , your welcome to test
the team and have fun , because fun should stay the most important thing in bloodbowl.

sorry for my bad english , comments welcome

sven · Post by **sven** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 4:34 am

niiicce i like it alot, it would definatly be fun after i have cleared my backlog of painting i may try to get a team together. the only query is that i dont think fanatics can have have dodge, i may be wrong. but overall i really like it. oh and by the way welcome mate.

sven

trautz · Post by **trautz** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:40 pm

I had some comments and changed some things to
make the team more balanced :

Savage Orks :
+5k ( 80k now )
-1AV ( they dont wear very much )
( they are now exactly like Blackorks but with -1 AV and "block" )

And Fanatics lost Dodge ( they are too stoned to Dodge )
and are now 50k
( thats 10k more than a normal Gobbo for their Bonus "+1MA" )

the picture in my first post is actuall

alexelf · Post by **alexelf** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 2:59 pm

I think you've made them too good for the price overall.
I think both the Savage and the Squig are under priced (maybe you should add 10K on each). Looking at the Savage - I think Block in that kind of player is worth more than 1 AV. The Fanatic would be fun but pointless, as he's not worth the extra 10k for +1 MA (especially as he has 1/6 chance of not playing). Maybe if you roll a 5,6 he could get an extra skill or stat upgrade for that half.
Otherwise interesting.

trautz · Post by **trautz** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:07 pm

i updated them again , they are more expensive and
i took your nice idea alexelf and there is now
an extra Waaaghmushroom-Influance-Table , look in
my first post for the actuall version of the list.

alexelf · Post by **alexelf** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 7:42 pm

The influence table certainly looks like fun. Have you upped the prices by 20k on the 3 new players and taken away the +1 MA for the fanatics? It certainly looks like a fun team, but I think the Fanatic is still overpriced. Even on a good role on the table, his stats don't warrant a 70k price tag, 50k seems better. Others might disagree.

duff · Post by **duff** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:22 am

They look like crazy fun, but why is six on the fanatic roll the 2nd worst result? It should be the best result.

trautz · Post by **trautz** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:08 am

duff i had to change some things and i also used your idea , thanks.
see updated list on top

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 4:22 pm

Squighopper is underpriced. compare to wardancer....same stats but +1 av and claw (phys) instead of leap.

make av7. drop the dodge. why would a squighopper have dodge? I actually like the squighopper they have on fumbbl.com

mv 5 st4 ag3 av7 razor sharp fangs, pogo stick, oFab 90k with AG access.

I can see removing OFAB just cuz it's a pain to play with and make it a straight 100k player. plus with razor fangs he won't break armor but when he does....lick your chops. Plus it's so much fun to play with a pogo stick.

also I think your #'s for the fanatic mushrooms got knocked off when editing...you got two 3's, 4 with no 5. I think you should change the name too. when u say fanatic i'm sure people will think of whirling ball of death instead of a drugged up gobbo.

Snorri · Post by **Snorri** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 7:58 pm

[quote="gken1"]plus with razor fangs he won't break armor but when he does....lick your chops. [quote]

????
he won't but he will?

alexelf · Post by **alexelf** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:08 pm

gken1 wrote:Squighopper is underpriced. compare to wardancer....same stats but +1 av and claw (phys) instead of leap.

you're saying +1AV, and claw instead of leap is worth more than 20k?!!

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 9:08 pm

ag4/leap and +1AV/claw are not equal.

so the squighopper should cost more than a wardancer.

1. with blodge and st3 they both hit the ground the same amount but av8 suffers 50% fewer armor breaks---he's still a gobbo ontop of that squig....so he should have the same AV.

2. claw is a phys skill and leap is a normal skill.

3. I like the pogo stick since the squiq is basically an illegal weapon...and it actually lets him "hop" around.

it's too good of a player. he shouldn't have dodge and block....he's no longer a regular gobbo. He's on a wild animal....doesn't make sense to have block. Gobbos are supposed to be more crazy and unreliable teams....so give them other stuff.

Block represents training on knocking down players. i don't see this player having that until he gets spps'.

He's on a squig so no more dodge.....

alexelf · Post by **alexelf** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 10:27 pm

It's not 50% less, it's 33% less (AV 7 has 50% more amour breaks - 15/36 whereas AV 8 breaks on a chance of 10/36)

Anyway, that's semantics. The point is AG3, AV8 and Claw, is not worth 20k more than AG4, AV7 and Leap. You could argue they're worth the same but not 20k more. With AG 3 you are twice (100% - using your style) as likely to fail a dodge. I would say being twice as likely to fail a dodge (and cause a turnover) is worse than being 1 and half times more likely to have your armour broken. So what if claw is a physical skill, isn't leap an agility one?

There is the point the stats don't truly reflect the player, but that is a different argument (one which I would agree with you on).

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Mon Jul 12, 2004 11:47 pm

physical is a trait......requiring doubles. leap doesn't.

alexelf · Post by **alexelf** » Tue Jul 13, 2004 4:21 pm

gken1 wrote:physical is a trait......requiring doubles. leap doesn't.

So he's worth 20k more....

Give the squighopper leap instead of dodge, he is a hopper after all.

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