Taking Away Ogres

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:19 am

Does look like a really really nice player though...

(Did you find it somewhere else, or make it yourself?)

R

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:24 am

Redfang wrote:Yeah, something like that would be really nice, although I can imagine that giving a Str4 player that much skills from the beginning might make him overpowered...

Not sure...

Does look like a really really nice player though...

(Did you find it somewhere else, or make it yourself?)

R

Made it up on the fly. Just a brain fart.

Too many skills? Lose Mighty Blow. I think Stand Firm defines him though.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 7:39 am

And then you have exactly the player I suggested a few posts back

Good to see were on one line on something for once

R

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:41 am

Pariah wrote:Iron Breakers?

0-2 Iron Breakers 3 4 1 10 Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Thick Skull 110K

How about Giant Slayers?

0-2 Giant Slayers 4 4 1 8 Block, Dauntless, Multiple Block, Thick Skull 120k

In any case I don't think the Dwarves need any help, they destroy everything in thir path laready as it is. And why did a thread about Ogres turn into a thread about new Dwarf positions? I blame the Dwarf coaches association for this conspiracy!!

-Balrog

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 9:43 am

Against other smashing teams, especially orcs, with some experience Dwarfs are very hard-pressed; orcs have higher AV (on average) And they have str4 players. If the orcs also field an ogre and you leave the Dwarfs with a full str3 squad, they've definitely got a problem (at least that's my experience)

R

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:10 am

Redfang wrote:Against other smashing teams, especially orcs, with some experience Dwarfs are very hard-pressed; orcs have higher AV (on average) And they have str4 players. If the orcs also field an ogre and you leave the Dwarfs with a full str3 squad, they've definitely got a problem (at least that's my experience)

R

Sshhh!!! Don't spread that around, it's an orcy secret...

-Balrog

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:00 pm

Pariah wrote: 0-2 Iron Breakers 3 4 1 10 Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Thick Skull 110K

This is something I was thinking about too. I'm hesitant about the AV10, though. Price should be increased or either MB or AV10 should go. Perhaps trade MB for Dauntless to further compensate for the lack of high-ST players?

No, please no more warhammerish position names

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:03 pm

I think MB should just be dumped; there's no Str4 blocker on any team that starts with any skills anyway... AV10 should be OK, unless there's a rule against it

R

rwould · Post by **rwould** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:05 pm

Other than Bull Centaurs, who are St 4 and start with 3 skills. Although you could argue they aren't blockers...

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 12:08 pm

BC... whoops, missed those

Cervidal · Post by **Cervidal** » Tue Apr 08, 2003 2:39 pm

Dwarves don't have the strength to bash with Orcs? Since when? Dwarves are the only race to have a lineman position with Block and access to strength. Guard, anyone? Difficulty with Orc armor? Might Blow. Dwarves are the only team that can put those two skills on their linemen at 6 SPPs and have a powerhouse front line.

There is no need to give them an addition player, Big Guy or position. They were considered balanced before Big Guy rules came out and they come with two position players that specifically deal with S4+ goons.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Wed Apr 09, 2003 7:18 am

How many orc teams have you seen that need to field any Line orcs, or more then 2?

Orcs have 4 Black Orcs; enough to make a very tough front line, 4 blitzers who are highly mobile, and also start with block + Str access and then there's the Big Guy.

Guard can be nice, but can also be evaded very very easily, especially by Str4 players. Furthermore, Dwarf Longbeards arenot exactly known to learn new skills fast!

R

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 4:20 pm

dwarves don't need compensation for losing ogres at all. they're plenty good without em.

Post by **Thadrin** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:07 pm

Good God not this chestnut AGAIN.
You know where I stand by now: Big guys on certain Rosters substituting for other positions 2 for 1.
(Ogre/mino=2 Chaos Warriors, Troll=2 Black Orcs or max two for Goblins, Treemen two on Halfling teams only, Rat Ogre=2 Gutter Runners, Kroxigor=2 Saurus.)

Simple and gets rid of the Big guy arms race.

I could possibly even stretch to Ogre=2 Human or Norse Blitzers.

New Dwarf player? I'd prefer two more Blitzers...
but 3/4/1/9 Stand Firm, Thick Skull 90k (G,ST) would work if you HAD to have one. I like the roster as is.

I think we need to steer clear of tinkering with the existing rosters as much as possible (hence my position that the Necro team should be the old undead minus skeletons with the Werewolf available as a Star player, also available to the Norse).

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Thu Apr 10, 2003 5:07 pm

wesleytj wrote:dwarves don't need compensation for losing ogres at all. they're plenty good without em.

My thoughts exactly.

-Balrog