Ogres access poll.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 9:01 pm

Remove Ogre from Halfling, Goblin, and Dwarf.

Otherwise, I'm okay with them on Orc, Norse, Human, and Chaos.

Galak

Post by **Thadrin** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 9:08 pm

I'd like to see the Ogre off the Orc roster simply because Trolls are a better fit fluffwise on that roster and noone will ever take a Troll over an ogre unless its because of that fluff.

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 9:13 pm

orc, human, chaos only. remove from all others.

Dark Lord (retired) · Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:56 pm

I'd rather see the ogre come off of the orc roster before the dwarf roster. I don't see why people have such issue with ogres on dwarf teams. If theya re balanced on orc teams then they certainy are balanced on a dwarf team!

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Sat Apr 26, 2003 11:59 pm

I think it has more to do with fluff than balance for dwarves.

boondog · Post by **boondog** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:13 am

concerning fluff: there's been a famous Ogre mercenary general (can't remember his name - oh the irony of it!) who sided with the orcs in a battle against the dwarfs, then had a quarrel with the greenskins and allied himself with the dwarfs and earned their respect by eating all the POWs; so fluff-wise, they should be allowed for everyone except the "pansy" elf sides (High and Wood) which have a problem with the Ogre's lack of style & hygiene

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 12:42 am

Remove Treeman from Welves
Remove Ogre from Dwarf, Goblin, Halfling, Norse, Chaos, Orc

Add 0-2 Dryads to Welves
Add 0-2 Nomads(?) to Norse

Nomads 5 4 2 8 ?

Longshot · Post by **Longshot** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 2:55 am

Remove them from:
Halfling
Dwarf
Norse (i would prefer a Mino here)

Gorbad · Post by **Gorbad** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 3:03 am

Remove from halfers, gobbos, dwarves, chaos.

And make a troll S6, that might actually convince me to buy one instead of an ogre on an orc team.

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:59 am

The norse should bave ONLY Mino access. Goes in nicely with the theme of frenzied headcases. Have a Norse team in my league now that has a Mino.

Minos on CDs? I dunno...the CD team in my league has one and he's a real PITA thanks to having Block and Claws.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 6:58 am

If there was a Werewolf/bear posistion on the Norse roster, no sorry, were big guy available to Norse, I'd support the removal of Ogres from Norse, even though it fits the fluff.

I have to admit though, I've never taken an Ogre on a Norse team, always a mino. The thought of my mad, frenzied blitzers looking up to a mad frenzied bullman.... To good to pass up, even if he does cost me turns.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 7:29 am

I'm not a huge fan of the ogre on dwarf teams but I think it was removed from dwarves but left on orcs I'd like an explaination. Orcs already have access to 4 blitzers and 4 ST 4 blockers...not to mention their 4 goblins! I think an ogre is just icing on the cake. What do the dwarves get that is so tough that the only decent secret weapon they get should fill both spots?

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 9:30 am

Dark Lord wrote:I'm not a huge fan of the ogre on dwarf teams but I think it was removed from dwarves but left on orcs I'd like an explaination. Orcs already have access to 4 blitzers and 4 ST 4 blockers...not to mention their 4 goblins! I think an ogre is just icing on the cake. What do the dwarves get that is so tough that the only decent secret weapon they get should fill both spots?

A question I've been asking since this whole debate started...people seem to be worried about hordes of dwarfs with guard, while ignoring teams full of Blodge Elves and Amazons (which develop quicker).

Ithilkir · Post by **Ithilkir** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:13 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:Remove Ogre from Halfling, Goblin, and Dwarf.

Otherwise, I'm okay with them on Orc, Norse, Human, and Chaos.

Galak

Agreed with Galak

Not sure if this would work or be completely pointless, but (as a house rule, not really official rule material), if players are complaining about a lack of big guys for a team, allow them to freeboot an Ogre (60k for a match), the option is there, but bloody expensive

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun Apr 27, 2003 10:47 am

I'd be happy with pretty much EVERYONE having the chance to freeboot an ogre - fits with the mercenary ethos. If that came about though I would be tempted to say that the Ogre in question is a seasoned BBer who just hires himself out and so wouldn't have Bonehead.

Seeing as they would be very expensive and would never gain SPP or be allowed to use RR this would be fair enough.

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