The Norse

lawquoter · Post by **lawquoter** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 2:13 am

I've sent more Norse to Valhalla than I can count, which is not a good thing when it's my team!

That AV 7 just bites me in the ass every time, don't know why. Nuffle, I guess.

Shadow_Dragon · Post by **Shadow_Dragon** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 3:57 am

AV 7 is quite low, but to be honest i think i msut be THE luckiest coach ever, my skaven team has survived three seasons now with AV7 as standard and i've only jsut had my first death, my spare, inexperienced thrower!

I think norse are fine, you jsut have to rely on good tactics and the good fortune of chaotic dice rolls!

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:09 am

I'm so incredibly jealous, Shadowdragon. After 30 games with my skaven, I've replaced every position on my roster, and at three positions, have had to replace them twice. Had both throwers and both storm vermin all die in 3 games...

Shadow_Dragon · Post by **Shadow_Dragon** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:38 pm

I develop defensively, i have a GR and a Rat ogre with spp's around the 110 mark, my RO develops casualties as fast as my gr scores touchdowns, most of my team now have spikes and i have 3 linemen and 1 thrower who have developed str 4! My team scores more casualties in the league than anyone else, in fact i keep track of all my kills! These are kill kills not Serious injurys! I have an epitaph on the reverse side of my custom roster sheet, i keep track of their names to mock my opponents!

14 Woodelves
1 Gob!!!!!!!!
2 HUmans
1 Orc
The lizardmen and dwarfs are getting off lightly!

Concentrate your team on surviving not scoring, everytime you roll doubles Seriously consider getting spikes the extra armour is extraodinarily handy, then block and many claws and raqzor sharp claws, because then the enemy will try to avoid blocking YOU, because it seriously hurts when it goes wrong for them!
Last time i played orcs i matched their casualties!

My rat ogre has Claw, Razor sharp claws, tackle, block and pro!

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:41 pm

The key to playing with norse is not to get involved in blocking melee's, just because they've all got block doesn't mean go round and put TZ's on everyone, cos yeah with AV 7 you'll get creamed, use block defensively advance slowly and pass/handoff to the receivers/blitzers for run in's.

I agree they aren't the strongest of the non stunty's but every team is decent if played to their strengths, and even with av 7 the linemen are one of the best around for 50k

lawquoter · Post by **lawquoter** » Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:39 pm

That's true. I just have the worst luck, rather my opponent tends to have the best luck whenever there is an armor roll to be made. And don't even mention Injury rolls. I swear I thought one guy I played had 6 on every side of his die once. Must be me. Nah...the minis suck!

Pangan · Post by **Pangan** » Thu Apr 03, 2003 10:57 am

Me and some friends started our first league yesterday, and i brought my norse to the event. 4 blitzers, 1 thrower, 2 catchers, 5 linemen, 2 RR and 6 FF. Btw; is RR 50 k now??

Anyways, i first met the undead. It developed into a slow moving game which i managed to win 1 to nothing. My boys dished out when i avoided the mummies

Then the orcs were next. I bougth an apothecary and felt safe. He received first, i managed to break through with a blitzer and pick up the ball after my friend tried to toss it to his beloved goblin Tiny. Touchdown.

Now the orcs were getttin pissed.

Im receiving now. First move: blitzer and catcher lines up in front of orc lineman or goblin or whatever. Blitzer blocks, uses frenzy and blocks again. Catcher runs like hell into other side. Thrower picks up ball after some trouble (he needs sure hands

), runs forward and throws a long ball. Cather has the ball

My friend foresees the catastrophy and moves some people up to my catcher. My turn. I block with the catcher, two dice against. Push back, and its a TD! Two to nothing.

The orcs are getting very pissed.

Next he receives. He gives the ball to Tiny and prepares a funeral march. After 7 turns he scores the TD. He has walked slowly through my field and mowed down all resistance. Hes gettin lucky with the injuryrolls too. I got one man left on the field when the dust settles!

My thrower. I got two dead and two seriously injured - they keep their niggling injury for the rest of their lifes too.

Norse are good, they can win matches. But i bought an ogre after that match to put on the line of scrimmage. The others cant take the beating. When the black orcs are getting block im toast me thinks.

rwould · Post by **rwould** » Fri Apr 04, 2003 12:26 pm

Cheers for the tips guys but I am aware of how to play with Norse (although after my last league match maybe not!). The post was about whether the Norse team is fare compared to the other teams, and I do not think it is.

The basic linemen are a good buy for 50K and are possibly the best value linemen in the game. But in a league position linemen quickly become outclassed, as positional players turn up more often and start to dominate. Hence my feelings that the team needs changing in some manner.

I probably should have done a poll first on it!

Richard

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 3:09 am

The blitzers are among the best of any race. They've got one of only two ST3 catchers (the others being high elf), and a thrower that's almost as good as the human's. Plus, they get the best big guy in the game.

Really, if anything needs to be done to the norse, it's taking away their big guy because right now they're a little too good.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:12 am

Zombie, it seems like you think every team is too good, every time someone mentions modifying a team to make it better you pipe in with "It's too good and needs to be toned down".

Recent examples:
Norse are too good.
Halflings are too good.
Dwarves are too good.
Ogres are too good.
Undead are too good.

etc...

sheesh, you'd have us all playing which team then?

Back to topic:
I'd like to see some stat modifications on the norse too, 6 3 3 7 across ther board is dull and unimaginative.

-Balrog

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:26 am

Well, we all know that ogres are too good, and halflings are obviously much better than the fluff describes them. I don't remember saying that dwarf or undead are too good. In fact i remember saying not long ago that the only thing undead have going for them is the mummies. And i've never found the dwarves to be very good at all.

As for norse, i don't really think they're too good. I think they're just ok. But i'd place them in the top 50%, and if a change absolutely had to be made to the team (which i'm definitely not asking for), it should be for the worse, and not to be made better.

And personally, i find that the 6 3 3 7 all around statline is what gives norse their personality. That's one thing i certainly don't want to see changed.

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:31 am

Zombie wrote: As for norse, i don't really think they're too good. I think they're just ok. But i'd place them in the top 50%, and if a change absolutely had to be made to the team (which i'm definitely not asking for), it should be for the worse, and not to be made better.

Fair enough. Since you think Norse are top 50%, I'd like to see you list all 15 teams in order from best to worse, I'm curious to see how you rate them all.

-Balrog

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Sat Apr 05, 2003 6:34 am

Torg wrote:I think it is hard to say what is the 'weakest' team. With the LRB, the teams a pretty well balanced, just depends on your coaching ability, style of play, etc.

Gotta agree with that! Not only coaching ability but the make up of your league and and the house rules you employ.

I ran aNorse team to the top of my league 2 years in a row.

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sun Apr 06, 2003 10:27 am

Zombie wrote:They've got one of only two ST3 catchers (the others being high elf), and a thrower that's almost as good as the human's. Plus, they get the best big guy in the game.

Why does everybody forget the Amazon Catchers? They have ST3 catchers too.

rwould · Post by **rwould** » Mon Apr 07, 2003 11:26 am

The blitzers are amongst the best of any race?

It is generally accepted that frenzy is a bit of a double edged sword. And this is your four player position, so to maximise it do you want 4 str 3 players with frenzy?

Jump up is great, but compared to a human blitzer (and Stormvermin) is jump up worth +1 MA and +1 AV? Or vs an Elven blitzer +1 MA, +1 AV, and +1 AG? For consistency, I'd take 4 humans or Elves over 4 norse blitzers. And vs Amazons, the block, dodge combo to start with is stronger, although the development path is better for the Norse one. And the Wardancer is vastly superior to the Berserker.

I'd say they are better than Dwarf Blitzers(MA problems), and Wights (due to Wights only getting General skills). Orcs are comparable. If taking four, again I'd go for the Orc, but on a one-on-one basis I'd probably choose the Norse.

One on one I think the Norse blitzer doesn't look too bad, but I'd still take a number of the other blitzers over him. However when put in a skill position and considering taking 4 of them, give me the other blitzers any day of the week.

And the 6-3-3-7 gives them personality? How? If the players had more variance (eg Throwers with Strong Arm) then maybe, but the list without the big guy has little of this.

And although I like the Norse Catcher, don't you think MA is more useful to a catcher than St? Or dodge to move away? However he is the best of the positional players for the Norse.

And a Thrower almost as good as the humans? Without sure hands, -1AV (but with block), and rerolls costing 10K more there is a big difference between them. Given the choice I bet most players would opt for a human thrower in a norse team rather than the norse one. He will get block quicker as a human thrower than the norse one getting sure hands (more likely to get the ball hence more likely to complete passes).

btw, which is "the best big guy in the game"? And cannot a number of other teams take whichever it is? Not much of an advantage then.