Norse Team Revamp (part 2) ... votes please

[fen]

Definitely. But the AV7 barbarians-concept is still plain wrong...

Well, historically (please correct me if I'm wrong) but the barbarian tended to be a lightly armoured warrior that used speed, agility and aggression to overcome their opponents. I think that the norse also tended towards the lighter end of armour, with mostly chain, shields and helmets.

Of course I'm not a historian (my boss is) so I could be wrong, but he seems to think AV:7 is fair enough for the team fluffwise.

As for the team, Galak I'm pro any changes made to the Norse or Amazon team. I'd like them to feel different.

[GalakStarscraper]

is that icepelt hammerblow a snow troll? what is he? i do like this new setup.

I think we leave it vague ... he's some sort of hairy mountain creature ...

Convert a Yhetee fig for him or make a Troll with fur ... up to you. In the original fluff Icepelt was a Snow Troll ... which is what I'm going to stay with ... but I included skills that linked up to the Yhetee that had broad appeal.

Galak

[GalakStarscraper]

Oh and those MV7 catchers should be 80K IMO ...

A Skaven Lineman with Block and Catch and AG access for 40k extra ... sounds fair to me. Especially since the original team was slow and bashy and this gives them an element of speed.

Also the High Elf Catcher on the formula is 100k ... he is discounted as part of the overall value to the team. The Norse are already a great deal as Block is one heck of a starting skill across the board on the team.
But the 90k is fair ... +20 for MA, -20 for AV, +20 for Block, +20 for Catch, +50k base = 90k for the player.

As for the pushing out to the sidelines. I don't think folks realize that Frenzy is not the worlds greatest skill on a player like the wolf. Yeah MA 7 is nice ... but blitz a cage and you are likely going to pick up 2 TZs on the 2nd block unless you swarmed it. Frenzy got powered down with PBBL ... now you have to GFI for the 2nd block ... that REALLY does limit its usefulness on a player that screams being a blitzer. And AV 8 with no Block will make that guy a target.

As for the price ... well with the cut to rerolls ... the team has more to give up price wise and also remember that FF 9 is not a must have anymore. So this team can afford the higher prices.

Just my thoughts.

Galak

[GalakStarscraper]

See I'm leaning toward using the Beorg Bearstruck models

My choice would be the Kislev Bear.



Galak

[Highlander]

Thanks Galak. Catchers at 90K don't really upset me and the lowering of the Ulfwereners movement to 6 was only to quiet down the "way over powered" responses that the FUMBBL forum seems to be generating.

Pricewise I can't complain much. Under PBBL rules you can still get alot in for 1000 gps. I think the starting roster I'll try using to see how the new changes are will be the following:

1 Ulfwerener
2 Blitzers
2 Catchers
1 Thower
6 Linemen
Apothecary
2 Rerolls
Fan Factor 0

Of course you can always drop a lineman and the thrower and get a second Ulwerener and have a more running type of game initially, or drop the apothecary or extra lineman for an extra starting reroll.

[bluetooth]

Yes, yes, yes. That roster sounds like fun.

[plasmoid]

I think this looks quite cool.
3 points:

1. The norse team has been accused of being boring. I think that the amazon team is part of this. (6337 + skill). By changing some norse statlines, both the norse and the amazon become more unique. Great.

2. It has been mentioned many many times that the norse just can't keep up long term. This could have been dealt with in a ton of different ways, but this looks as good as any.

3. I was worried that giving the norse 'more' would make them too good a tournament team (i.e. short term). But by keeping prices fairly high, I believe that Galak has avoided this.

Top notch. I hope this goes through.
Cheers
Martin

PS, I'll be using Boris and Thrud as my 2 ulfwerenars. Not exactly weres, but 2 very big and brutal norsemen.

[Tritex]

I think this looks quite cool.
1. The norse team has been accused of being boring. I think that the amazon team is part of this. (6337 + skill). By changing some norse statlines, both the norse and the amazon become more unique. Great.

I would still like to know if there is any planned review on Amazon Star Players, especially Zara as mentioned in my post above (mentioned here as she is in the Norse list still), before it gets buried, or should I just raise it as a seperate post? Thanks.

[Redfang]

I voted "no" because I really like the all-the-same stats concept from the old norse team, and I think Mv7 Str4 players with frenzy might be a bit too much considering the problems 4 blitzers on the old team can already cause!

R

[MickeX]

Well, historically (please correct me if I'm wrong) but the barbarian tended to be a lightly armoured warrior that used speed, agility and aggression to overcome their opponents.

Historically, Conan the Barbarian was able to withstand more punches than a human lineman, not less

[Mootaz]

Well, historically (please correct me if I'm wrong) but the barbarian tended to be a lightly armoured warrior that used speed, agility and aggression to overcome their opponents.

Historically, Conan the Barbarian was able to withstand more punches than a human lineman, not less

That's the Block-skill, he just doesn't fall down

[fen]

Well, historically (please correct me if I'm wrong) but the barbarian tended to be a lightly armoured warrior that used speed, agility and aggression to overcome their opponents.

Historically, Conan the Barbarian was able to withstand more punches than a human lineman, not less

And that's why Thrud has AV:9.

[Tritex]

Well, historically (please correct me if I'm wrong) but the barbarian tended to be a lightly armoured warrior that used speed, agility and aggression to overcome their opponents.

Historically, Conan the Barbarian was able to withstand more punches than a human lineman, not less

And that's why Thrud has AV:9.

And is reflected in why he is so stupid. It takes a while for his brain to realise hes been hit!!

[Cloggy]

Still is kinda confusing that now the new Norse have a Big Guy who was not an option in the earlier poll.... (looks for the "confused" emote.)

I did like the snow troll better than the bear type thingie. A player with Claw/MB after 1 (NORMAL!) skill roll just sounds like very little fun to me.

Otherwise the bigger differentiation in the team sounds good. I would agree with redfang that there should be little doubt the new roster is stronger than the old, though playtesting may show that this is balanced by the higher cost of some players.

[Munkey]

While not quite going as far as i'd like (i'm in the AV 7 barbarians are wrong camp) I think the team is much better than the old one - it's got some character and looks like it'll be fun to play.

A couple of spellings I noticed on the list -

Berkserkers, I think this should be Beserkers

and Ulfwereners, I can't claim to have any knowledge here but it sounds like one of those words where the s is not needed for the plural.

Now Norse have gained some character is there any chance Amazons might? I've found them even more boring than Norse (I know some people are never satisfied are they? )