TR 100 vs TR 110

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:09 am

I put this up on NAF recently - but someone made a comment on the superiority of TR110 so I thought it worth putting over here. Wood Elves benefit from TR110 - Dark & High Elves do worse.

Here are the breakdown by team for TR100 vs TR110 tournaments (from the NAF results).

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TR 100
                  Pld  W%    D%    L%    For   Ag     Net   %      
1  Chaos Dwarves  177  0.56  0.12  0.32  1.49  1.08   0.40  62.15  
2  Undead         206  0.53  0.16  0.31  1.50  1.14   0.37  61.41  
3  Skaven         250  0.43  0.16  0.41  1.95  1.66   0.30  51.00  
4  Amazons        106  0.42  0.17  0.42  1.36  1.39  -0.03  50.00  
5  Dwarves        243  0.40  0.19  0.42  1.25  1.31  -0.06  49.18  
6  Norse          146  0.42  0.13  0.45  1.39  1.45  -0.06  48.97  
7  Lizardmen      106  0.37  0.24  0.40  1.45  1.57  -0.11  48.58  
8  High Elves     97   0.38  0.21  0.41  1.85  1.93  -0.08  48.45  
9  Orc            315  0.40  0.17  0.43  1.19  1.38  -0.19  48.25  
10 Humans         190  0.42  0.13  0.45  1.57  1.55   0.02  48.16  
11 Wood Elves     210  0.37  0.21  0.42  1.85  1.90  -0.04  47.14  
12 Dark Elves     106  0.42  0.10  0.48  1.42  1.58  -0.16  46.70  
13 Chaos          74   0.34  0.16  0.50  1.23  1.54  -0.31  41.89  
14 Goblins        41   0.27  0.07  0.66  1.12  2.10  -0.98  30.49  
15 Halflings      31   0.16  0.13  0.71  1.06  2.00  -0.94  22.58  

   All            1149 0.42  0.16  0.42  1.49  1.49   0.00  50.00  


TR 110
                  Pld  W%    D%    L%    For   Ag     Net   %      
1  Lizardmen      85   0.55  0.18  0.27  1.80  1.28   0.52  64.12  
2  Chaos Dwarves  63   0.46  0.24  0.30  1.59  1.32   0.27  57.94  
3  Undead         112  0.44  0.28  0.29  1.62  1.32   0.30  57.59  
4  Wood Elves     131  0.48  0.16  0.36  2.33  2.02   0.31  56.11  
5  Dwarves        113  0.43  0.19  0.38  1.28  1.35  -0.07  52.65  
6  Skaven         159  0.40  0.19  0.41  2.27  1.99   0.28  49.69  
7  Humans         102  0.34  0.27  0.38  1.33  1.51  -0.18  48.04  
8  Norse          77   0.36  0.21  0.43  1.43  1.77  -0.34  46.75  
9  Orc            170  0.36  0.19  0.45  1.26  1.43  -0.17  45.88  
10 Dark Elves     92   0.36  0.18  0.46  1.77  1.95  -0.17  45.11  
11 High Elves     61   0.33  0.25  0.43  1.80  1.75   0.05  45.08  
12 Chaos          23   0.35  0.17  0.48  1.17  1.57  -0.39  43.48  
13 Amazons        32   0.38  0.09  0.53  1.34  1.78  -0.44  42.19  
14 Goblins        15   0.07  0.27  0.67  1.33  2.87  -1.53  20.00  
15 Halflings      27   0.15  0.07  0.78  0.93  2.41  -1.48  18.52  

   All            631  0.40  0.20  0.40  1.66  1.66   0.00  50.00  

               TR110  TR100   Diff
Chaos Dwarves  57.94  62.15  -4.21  
Undead         57.59  61.41  -3.82  
Skaven         49.69  51.00  -1.31  
Amazons        42.19  50.00  -7.81  
Dwarves        52.65  49.18   3.48   
Norse          46.75  48.97  -2.22  
Lizardmen      64.12  48.58   15.53  
High Elves     45.08  48.45  -3.37  
Orc            45.88  48.25  -2.37  
Humans         48.04  48.16  -0.12  
Wood Elves     56.11  47.14   8.96   
Dark Elves     45.11  46.70  -1.59  
Chaos          43.48  41.89   1.59   
Goblins        20.00  30.49  -10.49 
Halflings      18.52  22.58  -4.06

Standard Deviation @ 110 = 0.317
Standard Deviation @ 100 = 0.100

SD calculated by square root of average of (% - 0.5)^2 (I think this is correct).

So, it looks like TR110 is less balanced that TR100.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 10:11 am

Damn, you should get the Stat-man nick/title/thingy...

Lizardmen do very well at TR 110, I didn't expect that...

neverdodge · Post by **neverdodge** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 11:30 am

chaos dwarves are broken

Post by **Thadrin** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 2:59 pm

Lizardmen get a load more rerolls from that extra cash. No surprise at all there.

longfang · Post by **longfang** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 7:27 pm

Thadrin wrote:Lizardmen get a load more rerolls from that extra cash. No surprise at all there.

Yes but they need them.

Post by **Thadrin** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 8:03 pm

I dunno...just started playing lizardmen in league and its bloody failed dodges that do me in every time.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Thu Dec 18, 2003 9:16 pm

yeah skinks can't be counted on. Tells us stuff we already know...chaos dwarves rule the blood bowl world

Asperon Thorn · Post by **Asperon Thorn** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:33 am

Thadrin wrote:I dunno...just started playing lizardmen in league and its bloody failed dodges that do me in every time.

Stop dodging with Sauri.

Asperon Thorn

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:18 am

Notice the drop in CD win percentage in mere 10 points of TR. Although they lose less also, they can't anymore pull off that many victories as in TR100.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:24 am

So, this means I'm without any chance at the DO playing DE!

Nice to see them go up the ladder 2 spaces at TR 110, but performing worse in %!

Tim · Post by **Tim** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:49 am

Ian, is there any way to post that list not considering games against flings and gobbos at all? After all, these games should not interfere with the "balanced" races.

And is there a way to analyse a single race performance against all other races? e.g. how CDs did against Amazon, Chaos, other CD, ...

Norse · Post by **Norse** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:53 am

are you just trying to prove that your favourite team isn't fundamentally broken Tim??

you're clutching at straws mate... we all know you wouldn't be world number 1 if you fielded elves...

actually, stats are interesting though... I have always felt that Dwarves are not a tournament team, but it appears I am mistaken...