Stars at Tournaments

[DoubleSkulls]

Using the NAF data I've compiled the following tables to show the differences that Stars make to tournament results. The only tournaments that I know stars were allowed at are:

The Chaos Cup
The Blood Bowl
DragonBowl

GenCon is not included because of the different rules for SPs - I haven't bothered showing the data because the sample is far too small to get any sort of reliable results from.

So the prelimary results are as follows:

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Stars
                  Pld  W%    D%    L%    For   Ag     Net   %      
1  Undead         67   0.57  0.22  0.21  1.42  0.91  +0.51  67.91  
2  Chaos Dwarves  49   0.53  0.12  0.35  1.49  1.02  +0.47  59.18  
3  High Elves     6    0.33  0.50  0.17  1.33  1.17  +0.17  58.33  
4  Humans         49   0.51  0.12  0.37  1.69  1.27  +0.43  57.14  
5  Wood Elves     43   0.42  0.28  0.30  2.33  1.91  +0.42  55.81  
6  Dwarves        37   0.41  0.24  0.35  1.30  1.38  -0.08  52.70  
7  Amazons        18   0.44  0.11  0.44  1.39  1.28  +0.11  50.00  
8  Skaven         56   0.36  0.25  0.39  1.79  1.73  +0.05  48.21  
9  Chaos          19   0.32  0.32  0.37  1.16  1.21  -0.05  47.37  
10 Orc            91   0.35  0.19  0.46  1.09  1.44  -0.35  44.51  
11 Dark Elves     13   0.23  0.31  0.46  1.38  1.62  -0.23  38.46  
12 Lizardmen      31   0.26  0.23  0.52  1.13  1.81  -0.68  37.10  
13 Norse          16   0.31  0.06  0.62  1.19  1.56  -0.38  34.38  
14 Goblins        11   0.18  0.00  0.82  1.00  2.45  -1.45  18.18  
15 Halflings      18   0.06  0.22  0.72  1.00  2.11  -1.11  16.67  

   All            262  0.40  0.20  0.40  1.44  1.44  +0.00  50.00  
Standard Deviation 0.1477

No Stars (TR100 only - because all the Stars tournaments are TR100)
                  Pld  W%    D%    L%    For   Ag     Net   %      
1  Chaos Dwarves  124  0.60  0.12  0.28  1.50  1.03  +0.47  65.73  
2  Undead         140  0.49  0.14  0.37  1.50  1.27  +0.23  56.07  
3  Lizardmen      73   0.41  0.23  0.36  1.58  1.47  +0.11  52.74  
4  Norse          124  0.45  0.14  0.41  1.42  1.43  -0.01  52.02  
5  Orc            196  0.43  0.17  0.40  1.26  1.34  -0.08  51.53  
6  Skaven         183  0.44  0.12  0.44  1.98  1.68  +0.30  50.27  
7  Dark Elves     93   0.45  0.09  0.46  1.46  1.56  -0.10  49.46  
8  Amazons        91   0.38  0.20  0.42  1.32  1.40  -0.08  48.35  
9  High Elves     90   0.40  0.17  0.43  1.89  1.94  -0.06  48.33  
10 Dwarves        195  0.38  0.18  0.44  1.21  1.31  -0.11  47.44  
11 Wood Elves     152  0.38  0.17  0.45  1.76  1.82  -0.06  46.05  
12 Humans         130  0.36  0.12  0.52  1.48  1.74  -0.25  42.31  
13 Chaos          51   0.35  0.10  0.55  1.33  1.73  -0.39  40.20  
14 Goblins        27   0.30  0.11  0.59  1.07  1.89  -0.81  35.19  
15 Halflings      13   0.31  0.00  0.69  1.15  1.85  -0.69  30.77  

   All            841  0.43  0.15  0.43  1.50  1.50  +0.00  50.00  
Standard Deviation 0.0845

Differences    No Stars vs Stars
               %      %      diff
Humans         42.31  57.14  +14.84 
Undead         56.07  67.91  +11.84 
High Elves     48.33  58.33  +10.00 (but only 6 games in the sample)
Wood Elves     46.05  55.81  +9.76  
Chaos          40.20  47.37  +7.17  
Dwarves        47.44  52.70  +5.27  
Amazons        48.35  50.00  +1.65  
Skaven         50.27  48.21  -2.06  
Chaos Dwarves  65.73  59.18  -6.54  
Orc            51.53  44.51  -7.03  
Dark Elves     49.46  38.46  -11.00 
Halflings      30.77  16.67  -14.10
Lizardmen      52.74  37.10  -15.64 
Goblins        35.19  18.18  -17.00 
Norse          52.02  34.38  -17.64 
 

Humans & Undead the big winners. Wood Elves doing better is a bit of a surprise - I guess Strip Ball on the WDs helps a lot against Griff/Luthor etc. I am a bit surprised that Orcs don't do so well, -7% obviously Varag isn't all he's cracked up to be. Maybe its over indulgence in Morg.

[McDeth]

Wow, Prince Moron must be better than i thought

[Thadrin]

lets try explaining the dwarf team doing better WITH stars than without then....makes no sense at all.

The undead do considerably bettr? what a shock.

[Redfang]

lets try explaining the dwarf team doing better WITH stars than without then....makes no sense at all.

Well, here's a try. Dwarfs are less likely to be impressed by the number of skills a Star has (oooh, your Star has "Block", wow, so does my entire team), while having expensive stars in the opponents team means that they have less other players (less positionals with high Mv, and less players in total as well). This in turn means that it may be slightly easier for a Dwarf team to get the numerical advantage over the opponent it so dearly needs...

Just an idea, dunno how much sense it makes...

[Indigo]

Also it's worth considering that the BB and the CC will have drawn in a greater number of "novice" coaches, i.e people who don't play regularly or attend tournaments, and they tend to take the basic teams like humans, orcs or undead. Dunno if it's a pertinent example but I played 6 people at the BB and after talking to all of them only 2 considered themselves regular players - most came because they fancied giving it a go. Of those 4 part-timer teams there were 2 undead & 2 human, all with stars maxed out

I suspect Jordell goes some way toward boosting the welfs - they can then effectively have 3 WD bouncing around the pitch.

[Geggster]

I suspect Jordell goes some way toward boosting the welfs - they can then effectively have 3 WD bouncing around the pitch.

Not on 100TR if they have ANY sense...

Good data Ian. Frightening similarity between the teams perceived to have the best stars and actual results. And I'd agree that in a star player environment, Woodies can compete as they don't need to knock Luthor or Griff on his arse to get the ball and be off with it.